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Old 06-21-2012, 08:38 PM
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The male rejects. What now?
Are you saying the male attempts to rape the female? Violent assaults within the context of smaller social groups are rare. Not only would the male face physical danger from the woman, he would have to look her and her family in the eye every day of his life. He would also risk being ostracized and potentially ejected from the group if he choose to act contrary to their social norms. Unless he was stupid, the cost benefit analysis of rape would have come down squarely on the side of not raping in the majority of social groups.

Wouldn't seduction be a better bet? Do you choose rape whenever persuasion fails? This is the same species we are talking about.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:40 PM
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The male rejects. What now?
Show him your spear.

Although human violence isn't completely absent, archeology doesn't show hunter-gathering groups to be nearly as violent as later agricultural societies that had permanent, expanding settlements.

There's little advantage to trying to force a sexual encounter with a tribes-member who has access to weapons and friends.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:43 PM
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Brute force is a very relevant factor when it comes down to strength.
Either way, if everything is equal, men tend to be stronger because they ( usually ) do have more brute force.



Which has absolutely nothing to do with being stronger in the context we are talking about except for the bolded part. Do you have any research that supports this bolded part as being considerably significant during combat, enough to compensate a lower brute force?



Unless there is any evidence to prove that women in general have more dexterity, endurance and better tactics than men, i have no idea how this supports your argument. Unless you are willing to argument that brute force plays a minimal role in combat which is FAR from true.
I have one answer to all your rants about how far superior bigger people are to smaller people in combat and strength and GRRRRR ability...

Jackie Chan.

And....ya know, look at dancers, figure skaters, gymnasts, swimmers, divers.....dominated by women. To say we're weak, defenseless, and have no hope of winning combat with a man is rather lame. Plenty of women warriors have existed in history and have fought right alongside men.

Again, why this proving that men are better or "more-than" something than women? I've said before and stand by my argument that all things considered, men and women are as strong, smart, compassionate, nurturing as each other. This insistence on bringing up brute force is getting tiresome.

Did you read that I threw down a 6'5" Black Belt man handily? Or that my daughter can defeat her former Marine dad? What are we, freaks of nature or something? (don't answer that, lol)
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:47 PM
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I have one answer to all your rants about how far superior bigger people are to smaller people in combat and strength and GRRRRR ability...

Jackie Chan.

And....ya know, look at dancers, figure skaters, gymnasts, swimmers, divers.....dominated by women. To say we're weak, defenseless, and have no hope of winning combat with a man is rather lame. Plenty of women warriors have existed in history and have fought right alongside men.

Again, why this proving that men are better or "more-than" something than women? I've said before and stand by my argument that all things considered, men and women are as strong, smart, compassionate, nurturing as each other. This insistence on bringing up brute force is getting tiresome.

Did you read that I threw down a 6'5" Black Belt man handily? Or that my daughter can defeat her former Marine dad? What are we, freaks of nature or something? (don't answer that, lol)
Exceptions. Why not? o.o

You can call tendencies and exceptions to those tendencies.

I remember I read somewhere a grandpa that disarmed a robber. Does that mean that yout and guns arenīt better in fights than not having a gun and being old?

No.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:48 PM
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I have one answer to all your rants about how far superior bigger people are to smaller people in combat and strength and GRRRRR ability...

Jackie Chan.

And....ya know, look at dancers, figure skaters, gymnasts, swimmers, divers.....dominated by women. To say we're weak, defenseless, and have no hope of winning combat with a man is rather lame. Plenty of women warriors have existed in history and have fought right alongside men.

Again, why this proving that men are better or "more-than" something than women? I've said before and stand by my argument that all things considered, men and women are as strong, smart, compassionate, nurturing as each other. This insistence on bringing up brute force is getting tiresome.

Did you read that I threw down a 6'5" Black Belt man handily? Or that my daughter can defeat her former Marine dad? What are we, freaks of nature or something? (don't answer that, lol)
Nope, I regularly won sparring matches with men in kung fu and tai chi, including a match with a guy four belts up in my very first kung fu class. He tried to kick me and I caught his leg. Technically not a legal sparring move, but the teacher told the class to take note, since apparently it was the perfect defense.
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Exceptions. Why not? o.o

You can call tendencies and exceptions to those tendencies.

I remember I read somewhere a grandpa that disarmed a robber. Does that mean that yout and guns arenīt better in fights than not having a gun and being old?

No.

The idea that pre-history was just a big physical test without much of the same need for social skills seems to be an odd one. Comparison of males to females doesn't just come down to body mass index and who has the higher strength score as though it's some dungeons and dragons character sheet.

Within a small group of several families, why would there be a reason to commit violence or rape? Why disrupt the social structure of contributing members with anti-social behavior? Rape and force wouldn't be common for the same reasons that reasonable social interaction today makes more sense.

These are homo sapiens. Not some completely different species.
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Are you saying the male attempts to rape the female? Violent assaults within the context of smaller social groups are rare. Not only would the male face physical danger from the woman, he would have to look her and her family in the eye every day of his life. He would also risk being ostracized and potentially ejected from the group if he choose to act contrary to their social norms. Unless he was stupid, the cost benefit analysis of rape would have come down squarely on the side of not raping in the majority of social groups.

Wouldn't seduction be a better bet? Do you choose rape whenever persuasion fails? This is the same species we are talking about.
Not necessarily rape.
He won't allow others males to approach you. What now?
And let us go further into this issue. What if the male wasn't violent to the female before mating, but became violent later?

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Show him your spear.

Although human violence isn't completely absent, archeology doesn't show hunter-gathering groups to be nearly as violent as later agricultural societies that had permanent, expanding settlements.

There's little advantage to trying to force a sexual encounter with a tribes-member who has access to weapons and friends.
I doubt showing a spear is going to be best method out of this situation.
The male has probably more or equal skills on using a weapon and you are putting your life under major danger.

Friends, on the other hand, are more useful. If you have them in the first place...

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I am small and when I did ta kwon do, I was very good at it.

I tended to win people larger than me. That said, being small was a disadvantage.

My teacher was also small and talked to me one day how we that are small must work harder than those whoo arent just to be in the same level. We have to be faster to have the same reach.

I also was the best in the place where I learned how to swim. I remember I left everyone in the middle of the pool when I was like 10 years old, including people that were 16 years old and tall for their age, when I was 10 and SMALL for my age (the smallest of the class).

I was, still, the exception. ]Being smaller made me pull less water with each (hum... word in english for "brasada"? :s ) time I moved my arms and legs. Each time I moved my arms and legs pulled less water than each time the bigger ones did.

How did I manage? stupidly high overcompensaton of strangth and speed. But sizedefinetley matters in swimming and in tae kwon do. It is not "just because" that M.M.A and almost any sport competition divides females and males and when it comes to fights, different weight classes.

do you argue this should be gone then? Are this divisions ridiculous? should races be unisex and all sports too?
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Nope, I regularly won sparring matches with men in kung fu and tai chi, including a match with a guy four belts up in my very first kung fu class. He tried to kick me and I caught his leg. Technically not a legal sparring move, but the teacher told the class to take note, since apparently it was the perfect defense.
Sparring matches in tai chi? Do you mean 'Pushing Hands'?
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