Imam `Ali in the Qur'an (pray, worship, bless, God)

[time_spender]

Truth...did i tell u to ask help from them?

I just said that u can use their knowledge to get closer to God...thats the point.

[40:60] Your Lord says, "Implore Me, and I will respond to you. Surely, those who are too arrogant to worship Me will enter Gehenna, forcibly."

Ye..exactly!

Where does he live? which country? Can i meet him?

He live in his book...Go to a library...go to the religious section and open Nahjul-balagha..thats the address
U can also use Nahjul fasaha (Mohammad(AS))...it helps 2
Wasalam

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by time_spender

Now tell me....U think a dead cant help??!!
+ Imam Ali is not the only one...we have a alive Imam now...MAhdi(AS)...ask him and he will help u to get near to Allah!
have u hear this:
Ya vajihaan inda ALlah, Ishfa'ie lana indal Allah

Allah said "Implore Me, and I will respond to you" and if we asked others then it will contradict with this verse or that Allah will say will be slower in responding without the help from Imam "God forbid".

You are not asking for thier knowledge brother.

You said: Ishfa'ie lana indal Allah !!!

It means to have "shafa'a" from them to Allah.

what do you think?

[time_spender]

Truth...let me give ur answer with Quran! ok?
255-Baghara(2):
....His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth?....

Now,What do u think?
there are many verses in Quran that doesnt deny "shefa'at"...i dont know the exact verse but somewhere it says: he will allow shefa'at for those whom have satisfied him...
The verse is 99% near to that translation!!
If u want to deny Shafa'at .then ok! i Sit down on a chair and u sit 2...then we will use Quran (that we both believe in) to rule between us.....i love to talk logical bro!
There are many things that are truth but we dont know about it..i will love to learn from u.

aww and something..u didnt answer my question..i asked it before:

Allah has some Abds(Slaves) that he loves them(Like his prophets)...if a prophet ask Allah to help a human what will ALlah say?will he accept?
Is a prophet ,Nauzu biAllah, a sensualist so he ask Allah to help someone by his nafs(his bad ego,if he has one!!!!)...

The answer is yes or no!
Allah bless
and peace
+ sorry 4 the mistakes!
~mohammad

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by time_spender

Truth...let me give ur answer with Quran! ok?
255-Baghara(2):
....His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth?....

Now,What do u think?
there are many verses in Quran that doesnt deny "shefa'at"...i dont know the exact verse but somewhere it says: he will allow shefa'at for those whom have satisfied him...
The verse is 99% near to that translation!!
If u want to deny Shafa'at .then ok! i Sit down on a chair and u sit 2...then we will use Quran (that we both believe in) to rule between us.....

I don't know why you think that i deny shafa'a !! but i just said dead people can't do it for you and please don't tell me that it's only through thier knowledge because i know well what did you mean by that kind of shafa'a.

Regarding to the verse, yes you are right. Allah will give the chance for whom he choose to do shafa'a but brother try to go to Tafseer and you will find that this is only in the hereafter but not in this life.

i love to talk logical bro!
There are many things that are truth but we dont know about it..i will love to learn from u.

The same here.

aww and something..u didnt answer my question..i asked it before:

Allah has some Abds(Slaves) that he loves them(Like his prophets)...if a prophet ask Allah to help a human what will ALlah say?will he accept?
Is a prophet ,Nauzu biAllah, a sensualist so he ask Allah to help someone by his nafs(his bad ego,if he has one!!!!)...

Allah will accept from ALIVE people " and prophets when they were alive" but not from DEAD people in thier graves.

Please if you have any proof for the valdity of saying ya "dead person" ishfa'a li ind Allah so please share it with me.

Also, i agree to sit on a chair in front of you to produce evidence from Quran as you asked me to do so.

waiting for you brother mohammad.

[time_spender]

Bismillahe rahmani rahim!
here we sit down and talk!!

I don't know why you think that i deny shafa'a !! but i just said dead people can't do it for you and please don't tell me that it's only through thier knowledge because i know well what did you mean by that kind of shafa'a.

Istaghfirullah...U can read my mind? I never ask shafa'at from dead ppl.
When we say"Isfahai lana indal ALlah" we are wishing!
Its a wish...we are saying "May u be shafi for us after death"
u can simply deny those who want shafa'at from deads. i will be with u 2!!
We will make a group called "anti deads shafa'at". and u be the leader!!
so i clearly say : asking shafa't from dead is something nonsense
May Allah bless believers
MAy ALlah bless u

wasalam