Shi'ism foundation based on Judaism (reject, Moses, blood, mission)

[AbuQuteiba]

Originally Posted by john313

what are your thoughts on this one?


Abdullah Ibn Masud narrated: "Rasul'ullah (sal)ordered me to follow him, on the night of the Jinn. I went with him until we reached the height of Makkah... (Muhammad, al-khatam al-anbiyah) said: 'I was promised that the Jinn and human will believe in me. As to the human they believed in me, as to the Jinn you have seen.' He continued: 'I feel that my end is drawing near.' I said: 'O Rasul'ullah, won't you make Abu Bakr as your Khalif?' He turned away from me, so I realized that he disagreed; I said: 'O Rasul'ullah, won't you make Umar as your Khalif?' He turned away from me, so I realized that he disagreed; I said: 'O Rasul'ullah, won't you make `Ali as your Khalif?' He said: 'Him! By the One whom there is no god beside Hu, if you chose him and obeyed him Hu (Allah) entered you into Paradise all together.'"

Non-Shi'a references:

• Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v8, p314
• Also mentioned by al-Tabarani

wa peace

Firstly, the references you posted are known to carry non-authentic hadeeth (tha'eef) hadeeth. And secondly, it seems you have no knowledge concerning the science of hadeeth, otherwise you wouldn't have posted this "hadeeth". Those are my thoughts.

Oh, and i dont think or feel they have gone astray, i know so. If you think the sunna have gone astray as well, please show us how. If you'd like, i'll show you how Shia have gone astray.

Peace.

[john313]

Originally Posted by champion

Firstly, the references you posted are known to carry non-authentic hadeeth (tha'eef) hadeeth. And secondly, it seems you have no knowledge concerning the science of hadeeth, otherwise you wouldn't have posted this "hadeeth". Those are my thoughts.

Oh, and i dont think or feel they have gone astray, i know so. If you think the sunna have gone astray as well, please show us how. If you'd like, i'll show you how Shia have gone astray.

Peace.

peace,

thanks for your reply , but i did not say anyone has gone astray bro, feel free to review my statement that you quoted. again, your negative, false generalizations about a group are not appreciated in this forum. if you want to insult a group of people it is best to take your prejudice elsewhere. if you cannot handle yourself in the shia forum without insulting them, it is best for your soul that you do not come here. this is a place for discussion, not insults.
it is easy to reject things when they differ from our preconceived notions of how things are supposed to be.

-"two kinds of people will be damned on my account. those who form an exaggerated opinion about me and those who under estimate me because they hate me" - imam ali

wa peace

[AbuQuteiba]

Originally Posted by john313

peace,

thanks for your reply , but i did not say anyone has gone astray bro, feel free to review my statement that you quoted. again, your negative, false generalizations about a group are not appreciated in this forum. if you want to insult a group of people it is best to take your prejudice elsewhere. if you cannot handle yourself in the shia forum without insulting them, it is best for your soul that you do not come here. this is a place for discussion, not insults.
it is easy to reject things when they differ from our preconceived notions of how things are supposed to be.

-"two kinds of people will be damned on my account. those who form an exaggerated opinion about me and those who under estimate me because they hate me" - imam ali

wa peace

False generalizations about a group? Hmm, discussion? I don't know. They don't seem to work too well with you, unfortunately. But i wouldn't mind at all conducting a discussion about Shiite beliefs.

Also, i insulted no group of people. I criticized a sect that calls itself Muslim. Plus, i know that i can back up what i say, can you?

Peace.

[john313]

the point is that this particular forum is a place for people to discuss and ask questions regarding shia beliefs. insults towards a group of people, whether they are true or false do not belong here because they deter people from asking questions. and a wise man once said "only the unasked question is stupid". if this area seems hostile it will push away people who want to learn. say what you want about me, it does not bother me.

peace

[AbuQuteiba]

Originally Posted by john313

the point is that this particular forum is a place for people to discuss and ask questions regarding shia beliefs. insults towards a group of people, whether they are true or false do not belong here because they deter people from asking questions. and a wise man once said "only the unasked question is stupid". if this area seems hostile it will push away people who want to learn. say what you want about me, it does not bother me.

peace

You're absolutely right. That is something i constantly forget. I don't intend to say anything bad about you, so no need to worry about that.