Shi'ism foundation based on Judaism (reject, Moses, blood, mission)

[john313]

peace bro,
my ways to me and your ways to you. truth is clear from falsehood for those who reflect.

peace

[AbuQuteiba]

Originally Posted by john313

peace bro,
my ways to me and your ways to you. truth is clear from falsehood for those who reflect.

peace

"When truth comes up against falsehood, falsehood perishes. For falsehood (is by its nature) bound to perish" [Surat al Isar'].

Indeed it is. May Allah(SWT) guide you to the clear truth.

[john313]

Originally Posted by champion

"When truth comes up against falsehood, falsehood perishes. For falsehood (is by its nature) bound to perish" [Surat al Isar'].

Indeed it is. May Allah(SWT) guide you to the clear truth.

falsehood does indeed perish, but Allah has guided me, perhaps one day we will agree on things.

[Islam]

John:
Shias make up less than 15% of Muslims. 85% are sunnis. do you actually think that Allah will allow the majority of Muslims to be in hell (according to shias all are kuffar who dont believe that Ali may Allah be pleased with him had a divine right to rule).
and watch this, this is in your hadiths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqDGRkJllUM

[Islam]

They claim Aisha, the prophets wife, commited adultry. This even contradicts with the Quran. They claim Ali had a divine right to rule, this also contradicts with the quran.
here: read it all sice your guided it wont affect you badly
http://allaahuakbar.net/shiites/index.htm

[AbuQuteiba]

There's no doubt in my mind that the Shia have very much gone astray from the correct path of Islam. Just go back to the books they've written. The truth of their beliefs are clear.

[john313]

Originally Posted by Islam

John:
Shias make up less than 15% of Muslims. 85% are sunnis. do you actually think that Allah will allow the majority of Muslims to be in hell (according to shias all are kuffar who dont believe that Ali may Allah be pleased with him had a divine right to rule).
and watch this, this is in your hadiths:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqDGRkJllUM

i know many shia, and none of them believe what you say all shia believe. but ali was the rightful successor to muhammad. that was an interesting anti shia site. what do you think about:

quran 13:7 you are only a Warner, and [there is] a Guide for every people."

-it is stated that when this verse was revealed, the messenger of Allah, placing his hand on his chest said, "i am the warner, and for every people there is a guide. then pointing towards imam ali, he said, "you are the guide ali, by you the mu'minin will be guided after me."
-notes: mustadrak al-sahihayan vol3 p129, kanz al-umal vol6 p157. besides tabari in his tafsir, fakhruddin in his tafsir al-kabir and suyuti in his dur al-manthur have also givena similar narration in their interpretation of the verse.

does this qualify as "divine right"?

peace

[john313]

Originally Posted by Islam

They claim Aisha, the prophets wife, commited adultry. This even contradicts with the Quran. They claim Ali had a divine right to rule, this also contradicts with the quran.
here: read it all sice your guided it wont affect you badly
http://allaahuakbar.net/shiites/index.htm

it is not good to apply the beliefs of some members of a group to the whole group. i read the first 2 sentences and that was enough to know it is just a biased writing full of opinions and misinformation.
"whose beliefs and thoughts are repugnant beyond belief" -that is a silly way to start something

peace

[john313]

Originally Posted by champion

There's no doubt in my mind that the Shia have very much gone astray from the correct path of Islam. Just go back to the books they've written. The truth of their beliefs are clear.

that is too bad for you bro. they have strayed no further than their sunni brothers, but this is not the forum to make such a comment.

peace

[john313]

what are your thoughts on this one?


Abdullah Ibn Masud narrated: "Rasul'ullah (sal)ordered me to follow him, on the night of the Jinn. I went with him until we reached the height of Makkah... (Muhammad, al-khatam al-anbiyah) said: 'I was promised that the Jinn and human will believe in me. As to the human they believed in me, as to the Jinn you have seen.' He continued: 'I feel that my end is drawing near.' I said: 'O Rasul'ullah, won't you make Abu Bakr as your Khalif?' He turned away from me, so I realized that he disagreed; I said: 'O Rasul'ullah, won't you make Umar as your Khalif?' He turned away from me, so I realized that he disagreed; I said: 'O Rasul'ullah, won't you make `Ali as your Khalif?' He said: 'Him! By the One whom there is no god beside Hu, if you chose him and obeyed him Hu (Allah) entered you into Paradise all together.'"

Non-Shi'a references:

• Majma' al-Zawa'id, by al-Haythami, v8, p314
• Also mentioned by al-Tabarani

wa peace