Multi-Beings (ritual, Kingdom, soul, hell, spiritual)

[EnhancedSpirit]

Originally Posted by kreeden

Personally , I think that there are " levels " of emotion . Depending upon how one defines " emotion " I guess . Higher emotions do come from the Spiritual . Such as Love . Greed or Fear on the other hand is purely a survival thing , so I believe that it is Physical . Such thing as " Honour " I believe to be man made , so would be mostly Mental . { but may be influenced by the Spirit ... kinda like a law to govern the Mental and Physical and would be an excample of how the Spirit interacts with our other Selves } .

You may be interested in " Huna " ES ? Personally I know very little about it , but it deals with different levels of Being , Souls , and Reality too .

Looked into Huna. Very interesting stuff, it is further validation of the TRUTH. The similarities between Huna and the world's religions and beliefs are incredible. About the emotions, I agree, in fact I just posted a list of the emotions in order and the significance of that order in another thread, I won't post it here because it is off topic. But you can find it here: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...719#post401719

[kreeden]

Yes , the list of emotions you posted relate to something else , so doesn't really fit in with I am saying . I mean , depression is something totally different . Although they claim Huna is a method of healing , I am looking at this more as a method of self-awareness . Of course , being such different people are likely to have different views .

There is one VERY important thing that I should point out , which I have kinda overlloked before . When I talk about the Physical , Mental and Spiritual Selves , I am not placing one above the over . Each serves it's purpose . I belive that is one thing that Huna and I agree on . That each must be balanced .

Huna is based upon a " Shamanic " tradition . And some traditions disagree about just what makes up a " Vision ", " Journey ", or whatever it is that Shamans do . Some even go as far as to define a Shaman as a Healer , implying that non-Healers can not be Shamans . But that much can heal can also harm . So I am using a much broader defination of Shamanism .

Ok , I have no idea where I wanted to go with this . Just that I think that Shamanism is a very person thing , defined by one's self and their Guides . But again , there are those who would disagree ... and it is their right to do so . But what Shaman would take the word of another over that of their Guide ?

Now , back on topic ... There are those who say that a Guide will only come to you while in a " trance " or while on a Journey . I disagree . The Spiritual , the Mental , and the Physical all overlap . So why can't the Spiritual take on Physical form , or at least appear to . In the same way , the Physical can " become " Spiritual , for a time at least . Afterall , we live in all three realms at the same time . It is just that our attention tends to focus on the Physical or Mental .

Hmmm ? It appears that I am leading towards saying that the Spiritual is nothing more that a state of awareness ... but I don't think that is quite what I want to imply ? In part , yes I believe it is , But I also believe there is more to it ... aware of what ?

Sorry . I'm rambling on here . I need to get some sleep . I will see if I can figure out what that was all about later ...

[EnhancedSpirit]

Originally Posted by kreeden

Hmmm ? It appears that I am leading towards saying that the Spiritual is nothing more that a state of awareness ... but I don't think that is quite what I want to imply ? In part , yes I believe it is , But I also believe there is more to it ... aware of what ?

Sorry . I'm rambling on here . I need to get some sleep . I will see if I can figure out what that was all about later ...

No, I think youare on to something here. It is all about BEING AWARE. And you are right about being balanced. We are often, as in almost all the time, aware of our physical senses. In order to BE AWARE of the spiritual senses, we usually have to meditate, your 'go out of our mind' so to speak. I think you are right about the balance, we are supposed to BE AWARE on all levels, similtaneously, not predominetly one over the other.

[michel]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

How very astute of you all to notice. If I may try to expand on this thinking. I would suggest that we are in fact inherently multidimensional beings that exist in an inherently multidimensional reality. I have had countless adventures in consciousness that have led me in many interesting, predominantly beautiful, directions.

How to say? In each "reality" that I encountered, I was always "me". The odd thing is, that that "me" took on the various "forms" that were relative or native to that given environ. Think of it this way. If you go to a formal state dinner, you must wear a Tux or a gown. That is the required "attire". If you are swimming, you would wear swimming "attire". If you are going shopping at the mall, you wear something nice, but casual. If you are bumming around the house, god only knows what seedy cherished thing you are wearing would be. Get the picture?

The thing is, YOU are always the focal point. You are always YOU, regardless of what locale you are perceiving. In the dreamscape, for example, your "attire" is you dream body. In other realities, you may well perceive yourself as being like a tiny star. In some realities you may not be able to discern any shape or form whatsoever.

Obviously there are some definite divisions between "reality" and "self". As well, there are some definite divisions within the self, but my point is, those divisions are not as great as some might think. The "whole self" (aka soul/entity/atma/Bozo the clown) is quite a bit larger than many would suspect and most certainly much larger than most experience. The thing is, we all have our own individualized "whole self", and our current three dimensional self is but one of its aspects. Here I don't wish to minimize the value of such aspects, as they serve a highly important role to the whole self.

VERY simply put, aspects are on field trips, within the physical system, investigating an "aspect" of reality that the whole self wishes to understand more completely. The complete "whole self" cannot "fit" in a single human body, and so it sends a trace element of itself to take up residency, so to speak. That "trace element" is somewhat magical in its properties however and is imbued with the core properties of the whole self.

The "magical property" has within its nature the ability to intuitively grasp its relationship with its whole self. By doing so, it becomes the whole self, although the whole self is not "brought down" into physical reality in literal terms. There is nothing from stopping the aspect from returning to its larger identity, by making this intuitive leap. This aspect self, normally intuits this relationship through out-of-body experiences and subsequent expansions of the self-imposed perimeters of consciousness. This intuitive leap is intrinsically spiritual in nature, but it would be a grave distortion to call it a religious experience.

Oh, well, I could be wrong. If only it didn't make so much sense.

Now I'm getting worried; that made sense!

[kreeden]

ES . Yes , awareness is key . Both being aware of ourselves and of our enviroment ... on all levels . Where I got caught up is trying to explain that it goes beyond the imagination , which I think most here would agree with . But still , it is hard to put into words . Oh well . I was kinda getting off track anyway .

YmirGF , yes , we are actually Legion . Depending upon how we wish to break ourselves down . And each of these make up the whole . Perhaps it all doesn't make much difference how we view ourselves , other then to understand who and what we are . To become " aware " of our being .

But are " YOU " always the focal point ? Yes , the Mind is our focal point . Everything that we relate to , we do so through our Mind . But that could lead one to assume that there is nothing but the Mind . That is not as far fetched as it may seem , as there are those who say just that . In fact I once thought along those lines .

You are always You because that is how your Mind sees you . The Ego . Which can be a trap my friend , as it holds you to the Mental . Or it can ground you too . But again , these are just my views .

BTW I hope that the Spiritual NEVER becomes religion . Awareness is all about being aware , not having another to tell you what is ...

General statement : The Three Reality thing works for me now . But I do wonder what will happen when and if they ever balance to the point of becoming ONE ? Or will they split into more " realities "? This is just a journey .

[kreeden]

The concept of the Ego or Self is a hard one actually . The west usually considers the Self to be more or less constant , unchangely . The awareness of self does change but the Self does not . The east however has a different view { in my understanding } and belive that the Self is always changing .

It is my belief that the Self is nothing more then a Mental image . It doesn't even have to be true in the eyes of others . I am sure that we all know someone who thinks they are very good at something { like singing } but are not .

Now , the Mind likes to group thing together . Stack then in related order with each other . It tends to like things nice and organized . And as long as everything is nice and orderly , the Self remains mostly unchanged . But if the Mind gets a shock ... a trauma such as can happen in extreme sports , near death experiences , a good fright even , the Self can not only be changed , but can be left behind for a time .

I also believe that it such times the Mind can and often does redefine the Self .

So , although there is always " awareness " , I have to disagree that there is always " awareness of Self ".

{ Stopping the World YmirGF , or in this case , stopping the worldly image of the Self . The World as we nornally view it is mostly Physical . }

[kreeden]

I'm sorry YmirGF . It is very hard to find the words for describing something new . I think that we are talking about the same thing . And it is quite alright to have different views of it . No need to be uncomfortable . The whole idea of this to get people thinking { me in particular and I welcome any and all questions ... which I may take one step farther just to try and get it straight in my mind } .

By " Legion " I mean that we can break our personalities down into countless parts . The same can likely be done with " reality " . Huna has four realities , I have three . Whatever works eh ?

Ego is a term that I had a problem with as it is Freudian . But it usually refers to the awareness of self . So I couldn't think of a better term . Sorry . When you stated that " you " are always there , I wanted to point out that " you " may not be what most think of when they think of " self ", the Ego . I kinda figured that you were refering to something else . But what does one call it ? I have no idea ....

The way I see it is that the Ego is like a Tower , or Castle if you will . It is build up of memories and experiences and ideals that we believe make up who and what we are . It is what most think of as " Self ". And most believe that it can be builded upon , but pretty much is like a stone wall . But if you look closely at a stone wall , you will see that it is made up of blocks ... the mind works like that . Grouping ideas , experiences and the like into " blocks " of info . But if you look closer still , you will find that these " stone blocks " are actually made of of smaller particles , sand if you will .

Now we have an Ego which is nothing more then a " sand castle ". Waiting for a wave to come along and flatten it . And if a wave does wash it " away ", then what happens . The wave has only destroyed the construct , not the particles that made up the construct . In other words , the " Self " is still there , just not in the form of an Ego . To me the Mind is like a beach of sand , the waves being thoughts that shape the sand .

Ok , that is a very simple and rather silly way of putting it . But I don't know how else to say it . Not without redefining psychology .

I agree that the unconscious is aware , on a much wider range then our " conscious " is . Only that we are not usually aware of the unconscious on a conscious level . Why is that ? { I am sure that you know what I mean , ever if you don't believe there is an unconscious } .

[EnhancedSpirit]

Originally Posted by kreeden

When you stated that " you " are always there , I wanted to point out that " you " may not be what most think of when they think of " self ", the Ego . I kinda figured that you were refering to something else . But what does one call it ? I have no idea ....

HIGHER SELF.

I mother my children, I make websites, I create art, I do construction work. I do a lot of things, but these are not 'who I am'. It took me a while to realize that what I do is not who I am. When I examined who I really was, I found myself becoming an ordained minister. So I have found that I am a preacher, and a messenger, and a healer. These are my true self, and all the things I do, are in service of my higher self.

I'm really tired and don't know if I'm making sense or rambling. So I'll leave it at that for now. Come back to this thought later.