Flavius Josephus About Jesus?

[Kurt31416]

I said members lost their jobs, you said Funk etc. didn't.

I said it wasn't them, but other members.

And once again you said Funk etc. didn't

Do you or do you not dispute that the Jesus Seminar said members lost their jobs?

[Kurt31416]

"Just because you don't know the scholars"

And again, ad-hominem. What a disappointment.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Kurt31416

Here's my opinion of what came from where. It's focused on a couple sayings, but it gives the big picture...

It gives a distorted picture certainly. There has been a fair amount of scholarship on how Thomas rearranges sayings based on and shows an awareness of the synoptics. And you put the Didache that early? Based on what?

[Kurt31416]

I produced Funk's academic honors, suppose you produce one to the contrary that's even remotely his equal instead of insulting me.

Or not.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Kurt31416

"Just because you don't know the scholars"

And again, ad-hominem. What a disappointment.

Happy to disappoint. You start with the bald assertion that Thomas may have been written by Jesus' brother, and so far you have produced no academic publication to back this. Your one quote states merely that part of it may go back to Jesus.

Furthermore, you are overly dependent on the Jesus seminar, one group among many, and american, for your understanding of NT scholarship. I gave you a list of scholars who have produced academic publications on Thomas dependency on the synoptics, or who have written about its late date. I can give many more.

You, on the other hand, make entirely baseless claims about their lack of "scholarly" credentials, despite the fact that I listed more published and more awarded scholars than Crossan or Funk.

[Kurt31416]

I base the Didache, (and it's certainly been modified somewhat), early for various reasons. That they considered themselves Jews, and not Gentiles is a clue, as is the Didache having those intermediate forms of those sayings, placing it after Paul, but before Matthew/Luke. That it's talking about a time when there were churches starting and the wandering preacher/healers place it there too. Seems like it was all churches by the end of the century.

[Kurt31416]

I really don't want to talk about you or me personally, Dave.

[Kurt31416]

Still waiting for that list of academic honors the equal of Funk.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Kurt31416

I produced Funk's academic honors, suppose you produce one to the contrary that's even remotely his equal instead of insulting me.

Or not.

alastair.adversaria » N.T. Wright: A Biography

Just for starters. See the faculty page at University of Notre Dame for info on J. P. Meier. Wikipedia has info on both as well as on J. D. G. Dunn. The academic credentials of Funk really aren't all that impressive.

[Kurt31416]

And it's resolved that the Jesus Seminar says that members lost their jobs for being members.