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Old 04-27-2008, 02:36 PM
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Actually, religion can be tested. Thats the whole basis for Hinduism and Buddhism, as well as Gnostic Christianity and the esoteric brands of the poplular religions.
All religions can be "tested" in the sense that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Jesus said as much when he asserted that if anyone wants to know the truth of his teaching, he should walk in it a ways.

Traditional Christianity can be historically verified. Its basis is the claim about a historical event, the resurrection. So at least it is theoretically falsifiable. If one can provide evidence the resurrection didn't happen, that'd be a potential epistemic defeater for Christianity.
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Old 04-27-2008, 04:05 PM
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Perhaps "know-how" is a system of language and symbolism that is provisional or transient and changeable only because of its sole usefulness in allowing us a certain interactive level with the present temporal reality.
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Old 04-27-2008, 04:39 PM
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I would like to know, what is dogmatic about science?
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I would like to know, what is dogmatic about science?
Piltdown Man was dogmatized for some decades.

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I would like to know, what is dogmatic about science?
Matter-energy is still assumed to be the bottom line even though as a theory it doesn't hold water.
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All religions can be "tested" in the sense that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Jesus said as much when he asserted that if anyone wants to know the truth of his teaching, he should walk in it a ways.

Traditional Christianity can be historically verified. Its basis is the claim about a historical event, the resurrection. So at least it is theoretically falsifiable. If one can provide evidence the resurrection didn't happen, that'd be a potential epistemic defeater for Christianity.
Nobody has proven the ressurection did happen, in fact, there is no hard historical evidence the supposed Jesus ever existed. Christianity is on spindly legs when it comes to basic facts supporting it.
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The difference I see is that science is necessarily provisional because this is demanded by the underlying attributes that discern science from non-science. If something isn't provisional then regardless of what else it may be, it cannot be science.

However, religious provisionality is contingent. Therefore, it is perhaps more accurate to say that it is epistemologically better to be provisional than not and that any religion which does not accept this is epistemologically inferior to the scientific method. Conversely, any religion which accepts this is equal to the scientific method in this regard.
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