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Old 05-07-2008, 10:20 AM
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That's still cause and effect, tho.
In what way?
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:22 AM
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That's still cause and effect, tho.
Yes, but not ontologically so, or at least not in the sense of an observed ontology causing the mental states.
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:23 AM
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Actually, some would argue that there is no cause and effect, and that they are constructs of the human mind to make things easier for the human brain to deal with.
Some would argue that, for exactly the same reason, there is cause and effect.
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:24 AM
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Yes, but not ontologically so, or at least not in the sense of an observed ontology causing the mental states.
What is the source of your prejudice against ontology? I have detected this in you.
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What is the source of your prejudice against ontology? I have detected this in you.
Ye thinks he dopp protest too much?
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Old 05-07-2008, 10:29 AM
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Some would argue that, for exactly the same reason, there is cause and effect.
Yes, I guess they would. It seems to me that that would be the difference between the signs and the things signified, though, wouldn't it?
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What is the source of your prejudice against ontology? I have detected this in you.
It's not a prejudice against ontology. Though I will admit that a one-way ontology is a sloppy way to think about "reality" and culminates in mucho confusion in communications between people. "Reality" is a two-way street. Sensory data and memory give shape to each other.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:38 AM
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It's not a prejudice against ontology. Though I will admit that a one-way ontology is a sloppy way to think about "reality" and culminates in mucho confusion in communications between people. "Reality" is a two-way street. Sensory data and memory give shape to each other.
Yes, agree.
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