Does Nature Have Laws? (mystic, experience, verse, science)

[Alex_G]

Im just interpreting the word law in a certain way. Of couse what occurs sill occurs whether anyone is present to observe or not. But for angular momentum as an example, we created a model rule for it stating that a moment force arond a fixed point 'a' is equal to the linear force at point 'b' multiplied by the vector of distance. Those 'laws' are our interpretation of the interaction, and is in my mind slightly distinct from the interactions themselves.

[3.14]

Its humans nature to try to find patterns in chaos (sometimes even see them when there not there) the patterns we find we organize to likelyness to be true, we see same thing happening all over the world so must be a natural law. since we don't have more data on other planets/species we cant be sure but its the most likely so we call it a law

[Jaiket]

Originally Posted by Storm

However you personally esteem science, it is the map - it is what we can say about nature. I wish to discuss the territory.

How do we discuss the territory without using what we can say about nature?

[Storm]

Originally Posted by Jaiket

How do we discuss the territory without using what we can say about nature?

We can't. The map has to be used, I just wanted to be clear that it wasn't the topic.

[camanintx]

Originally Posted by Storm

What do you think? Is there any such thing as natural law? Or is it just our attempt to impose order on an inherently chaotic system?

Please note, by "natural law," I am NOT referring to the statements of science. However you personally esteem science, it is the map - it is what we can say about nature. I wish to discuss the territory.

Is it unreasonable to assume that any objective reality corresponds with our perception of it?

[Jaiket]

Originally Posted by Storm

We can't. The map has to be used, I just wanted to be clear that it wasn't the topic.

Doesn't that make the map the topic.

[Hema]

I believe in the law of karma - for every action there is a reaction. Do good and good things will happen to you, do bad and you'll have to pay for it later on, therefore we should treat others the way that we ourselves would want to be treated.

[whereismynotecard]

Originally Posted by Hema

I believe in the law of karma - for every action there is a reaction. Do good and good things will happen to you, do bad and you'll have to pay for it later on, therefore we should treat others the way that we ourselves would want to be treated.

I think that stuff just happens... But if you are nice to people, people would be more likely to be nice to you, because you seem nice... and if you are a jerk, people will see that, and treat you like a jerk...

However, even if you do everything right and be nice to everyone sometimes stuff just doesn't work out, and you can just be very unlucky.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by Jaiket

Doesn't that make the map the topic.

Nope, just a tool.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by camanintx

Is it unreasonable to assume that any objective reality corresponds with our perception of it?

That's a matter of perspective.