Does Nature Have Laws? (mystic, experience, verse, science)

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by mball1297

Yes, I guess they would. It seems to me that that would be the difference between the signs and the things signified, though, wouldn't it?

Sure, if you make that the difference. But things are signified in signs; and signs, too, are things signified.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Sure, if you make that the difference. But things are signified in signs; and signs, too, are things signified.

Why not make that distinction? The whole idea here is to make that distinction. Sure there are such things as cause and effect, but the question is whether they are values applied by the human mind, or whether they are an intrinsic part of nature.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by mball1297

Why not make that distinction? The whole idea here is to make that distinction. Sure there are such things as cause and effect, but the question is whether they are values applied by the human mind, or whether they are an intrinsic part of nature.

Values applied by the human mind are an intrinsic part of nature.

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Values applied by the human mind are an intrinsic part of nature.

How'd I know that was coming? The values are an intrinsic part of nature, but the attachments to certain things are not.

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by mball1297

How'd I know that was coming? The values are an intrinsic part of nature, but the attachments to certain things are not.

Further, "nature" is a value applied by the human mind.

What is the nature of these unnatural attachments?

[mball1297]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Further, "nature" is a value applied by the human mind.

What is the nature of these unnatural attachments?

Yes, "nature" is a value applied by the human mind. I think that's part of the point. If basic concepts like cause and effect are not what they seem, then this statement would follow, I think.

The nature of these unnatural attachments is the process by which the human brain works.

[doppelgänger]

Originally Posted by mball1297

The nature of these unnatural attachments is the process by which the human brain works.

That's the nature of life, the universe and everything.

Even "humans" came to "evolve" through changing memories acting on newly observed data (or old data observed in a new way).

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by mball1297

Yes, "nature" is a value applied by the human mind. I think that's part of the point. If basic concepts like cause and effect are not what they seem, then this statement would follow, I think.

The nature of these unnatural attachments is the process by which the human brain works.

Why would being "applied by the human mind" make them "not what they seem"? As I pointed out earlier, some (meaning me) would argue that they are exactly what they seem. Reality, to us, is apparent (seeming).

The human brain is natural (and this harkens back to the OP), as are its processes.