Religious Education Forum  

Welcome to Religious Forums
Welcome Guest to ReligiousForums.com . You are currently not registered. When you become registered you will be able to interact with our large base of already registered users discussing topics. Some annoying Ads will also disappear when you register. Registering doesn't cost a thing and only takes a few seconds. We provide areas to chat and debate all World Religions. Please go to our register page!

Home Who's Online Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   Religious Education Forum / Religious Topics / Religious Debates / Science vs Religion
Sitemap Popular RF Forums REGISTER Search Mark Forums Read

View Poll Results: Is Reality Real or an Illusion?
We could all be dreaming. Reality is relative to our own senses, and as such, may be false. 6 54.55%
I exhibit all five sense and more. That is my reality. That is real. 5 45.45%
Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 02-05-2008, 06:40 AM
Willamena's Avatar
Willamena Offline
Religion: Just Me
Title:Just be there, doing that
Creative Thread Award:  - Issue reason: This creative thread award is given to you by your peers and is well deserved. 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Canada
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,092
Frubals: 3241951
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Reality is relative to our own senses, and as such, may be false.
False compared to what? What lies beyond reality?
__________________
I have never agreed with my other self wholly. The truth of the matter seems to lie between us.
- Khalil Gibran

Brad Chat
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 02-05-2008, 06:42 AM
Sunstone's Avatar
Sunstone Offline
Religion: Girls On Trampolines!
Title:De diablo del fora
Above and Beyond Award:  - Issue reason: Link Exchange project Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: 10,000 posts Creative Thread Award:  - Issue reason:  Humor Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Colorado, USA
Gender: Male
Posts: 26,227
Frubals: 5296724
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Willamena View Post
What lies beyond reality?
The laundry.
__________________
Then I came back from where I'd been.
My room, it looked the same -
but there was nothing left between
The Nameless and the name.
- Leonard Cohen.

Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 02-05-2008, 06:44 AM
Willamena's Avatar
Willamena Offline
Religion: Just Me
Title:Just be there, doing that
Creative Thread Award:  - Issue reason: This creative thread award is given to you by your peers and is well deserved. 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Canada
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,092
Frubals: 3241951
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunstone View Post
Are you familiar with the psychology of the senses? If not, simply refer yourself to any good psychology text on the subject. You will almost immediately see the senses do not represent reality, Dark Sun. At best, they symbolize it -- much as a map symbolizes a terrain, or an instrument reduces some reality to a simple quantity.
Symbolization is not representation?
__________________
I have never agreed with my other self wholly. The truth of the matter seems to lie between us.
- Khalil Gibran

Brad Chat
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 02-05-2008, 06:51 AM
Sunstone's Avatar
Sunstone Offline
Religion: Girls On Trampolines!
Title:De diablo del fora
Above and Beyond Award:  - Issue reason: Link Exchange project Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: 10,000 posts Creative Thread Award:  - Issue reason:  Humor Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Colorado, USA
Gender: Male
Posts: 26,227
Frubals: 5296724
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Willamena View Post
Symbolization is not representation?
In the sense in which I'm using the word "representation" in this thread, a symbol is not representative. But the word "representation" has more than one meaning, and using it in a different sense from the one I'm employing, you could say that symbols represent reality. In that case, the question would become "precisely in what way do symbols represent reality".
__________________
Then I came back from where I'd been.
My room, it looked the same -
but there was nothing left between
The Nameless and the name.
- Leonard Cohen.

Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 02-05-2008, 08:26 AM
Willamena's Avatar
Willamena Offline
Religion: Just Me
Title:Just be there, doing that
Creative Thread Award:  - Issue reason: This creative thread award is given to you by your peers and is well deserved. 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Canada
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,092
Frubals: 3241951
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunstone View Post
In the sense in which I'm using the word "representation" in this thread, a symbol is not representative. But the word "representation" has more than one meaning, and using it in a different sense from the one I'm employing, you could say that symbols represent reality. In that case, the question would become "precisely in what way do symbols represent reality".
I don't understand. What distinguishes a "representation" from the symbolized reality?
__________________
I have never agreed with my other self wholly. The truth of the matter seems to lie between us.
- Khalil Gibran

Brad Chat
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 02-05-2008, 08:38 AM
Sunstone's Avatar
Sunstone Offline
Religion: Girls On Trampolines!
Title:De diablo del fora
Above and Beyond Award:  - Issue reason: Link Exchange project Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: 10,000 posts Creative Thread Award:  - Issue reason:  Humor Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Colorado, USA
Gender: Male
Posts: 26,227
Frubals: 5296724
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Willamena View Post
I don't understand. What distinguishes a "representation" from the symbolized reality?
All representations are symbols, but not all symbols are representations. A representation is in some sense a copy of what it refers to. A symbol is more than a copy. It can contain greater or less information about what it refers to than a representation. A representation to some extent resembles what it refers to. A symbol need not resemble what it refers to.
__________________
Then I came back from where I'd been.
My room, it looked the same -
but there was nothing left between
The Nameless and the name.
- Leonard Cohen.

Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 02-05-2008, 08:39 AM
Willamena's Avatar
Willamena Offline
Religion: Just Me
Title:Just be there, doing that
Creative Thread Award:  - Issue reason: This creative thread award is given to you by your peers and is well deserved. 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Canada
Gender: Female
Posts: 9,092
Frubals: 3241951
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Willamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal WhoreWillamena is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by K.Venugopal View Post
What our mind interprets is the reality for our mind. But our mind alters as it awakens to greater consciousness and reality too changes for us. They say beyond a certain stage, we can see it all as an illusion and reality would be on a different plane for us.
And that reality would then be the "illusion".
__________________
I have never agreed with my other self wholly. The truth of the matter seems to lie between us.
- Khalil Gibran

Brad Chat
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 02-05-2008, 08:40 AM
ChristineES's Avatar
ChristineES Online!
Religion: Follower/Jesus(Y'shua)
Title:Tiggerism
Courtesy Award:  - Issue reason: This award has been given to you by your peers and is well deserved. Kindness Award:  - Issue reason: Your peers have nominated you for the kindness award, and it's well deserved. 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: California, USA
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,847
Frubals: 2408743
ChristineES is a Frubal WhoreChristineES is a Frubal WhoreChristineES is a Frubal WhoreChristineES is a Frubal WhoreChristineES is a Frubal WhoreChristineES is a Frubal WhoreChristineES is a Frubal Whore
ChristineES is a Frubal WhoreChristineES is a Frubal WhoreChristineES is a Frubal Whore
Default

I suppose I agree with Rene Descartes, who said our life could be a deception.
__________________


Mahna Mahna
Reply With Quote
  #29