Expelled (preaching, pagan, verse, religion, science)

[doppelgänger]

The methods of science are for constructing ontological models based on probability. Science does not generate true/false dichotomies, so science doesn't "disprove" anything, least of all a purely aesthetic and individualized perception like "God."

Science generates inductive models with more or less certainty based on the explanatory "fit" between the known evidence and the theories proposed to explain that evidence. ID does not propose an inductive model whose certainty can be evaluated against known evidence. It is not, therefore, science.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by iLL_LeaT

Explain to me how a science scientific theory can make it imposable for a god to exist

That's not what I'm trying to say.

What I meant was a person's science and religion do not have to be at war with each other, that it is possible to have them co-exist. Where one fails (through lack of evidence now or whatever) the other can pick up and there can some overlap.

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by Hope

Question: why is merely considering the possibility that there is a Higher Intelligence not science? If that's where the evidence leads, then why stifle such a conclusion? It has nothing to do with religion. Religion says this is such and such a deity that one must believe in on faith. Merely admitting the evidence points to a non-specific higher intelligence is not religion and perfectly in line with science.

You misunderstood.

The existence of a God creating the world is history, not science. ID is no more a science than the building of the World Trade Centre complex. Science has to do with predictable results. Unless we can find a predictable pattern to God's creation of Universes, it is not a science.

This has nothing to do with whether or not God created the world. God could have, but it would still not be a science.

Do you understand now?

[iLL_LeaT]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

That's not what I'm trying to say.

What I meant was a person's science and religion do not have to be at war with each other, that it is possible to have them co-exist. Where one fails (through lack of evidence now or whatever) the other can pick up and there can some overlap.

I see.

[Sunstone]

The leaders of the Creationist/Id Movement have been caught in too many lies. Now they want us to believe that this movie of theirs portrays something like the truth. Well, they've lied way too often for any informed person to believe them or their trash movie.

[Somkid]

Its a movie

[Blentyn chan Celi]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

If that's where the evidence leads, then that's where the evidence leads. But ID is not a science because science has a very deliberate method (the scientific method) designed to keep bias to a minimum while searching for the truth. As far as I know, ID does not follow it. That's not to say that it's not a good idea, it's just not a scientific one.

After one has examined the evidence - there are at least two (often more) possible conclusions that can be drawn. In this case, we can observe life and must then draw conclusions about how it came to be alive. If one person draws the conclusion that it is the result of chaos and another person draws the conclusion that a supernatural being created it, how can the first person call the second person’s conclusion any less “scientific” then his own? Scientists can no sooner prove that God created life then they can prove that God didn’t. Neither conclusion has anything to do with science. Both are simply rationalizations.

IMO, Creationism and Chaos are equally unscientific Ideas.
I also believe that they should both be left entirely out of school books. Just teach the kids real, physical science, and let them draw their own conclusions.

[tomspug]

Originally Posted by Darkness

Expelled comes off as a propaganda film.

Intelligent Design is not a science. That does not make it wrong, but it is still not a science. Ergo, when a scientist advocates ID and calls it a science, it seriously hurts his credibility.

If it comes off to you as a propaganda film, that is only evidence of the closed-mindedness of society today. Nowhere in the trailer did it seem to imply the advocacy of one belief over another.

It appears to be focusing on intolerance. If someone has a differing opinion, is he not allowed to have it? To say that intelligent design has no place in the scientific community is not logic, it's dogma.