Is existence possible without God? (Creator, creation, experience, God)

[iLL_LeaT]

Is existence possible without God?

Let me clarify what I mean by “existence.” I don't mean the existence of humans. I mean the system that we live in, AKA the universe.

Lets say, for a second, that the Big Bang is 100% correct. How did the atom get into space and time? And how did space and time come into existence so that the atom would have somewhere to be?

Has space and time and that atom always just been???????


I'm not so sure of any of these questions. What do you think?



Here are my thoughts (As of right this second). If the universe has always just been, then there may not be a God. However, It does not make since for this atom to be static for an infinite amount of time then just randomly explode.

If the universe came into existence at some point in time (if there was a beginning), then there must be a God. I mean nothing can only make nothing.

[Guitar's Cry]

Originally Posted by iLL_LeaT

Is existence possible without God?

Certainly not the one I know now and experience.

[PureX]

The answer is that we don't know.

What we do know, or at least what we think we know, now, is that existence is made up of two things: energy, and the laws that control the way that energy behaves. We don't know what energy is, and we don't know the laws that control it's behavior, nor do we know where either of them come from or go to. But, energy expresses itself only in certain ways, and not in any or every way, and because it does so, all that exists, exists as it does.

Do you wish to call that mysterious force that is creating energy, and then governing it's behavior "God"? If so, then certainly the universe could not exist without "God". But if you assume that "God" exists apart from this mysterious source of energy and the factors that govern it, then the universe could exist without "God". Most folks define God AS that mysterious source of all that exists, so for them the answer is clear. But they have no proof one way or another, because like all of us, they just don't know, either.

So it's up to you. How do you choose to define "God"? That will give you your answer. But not THE answer.

[Francine]

Originally Posted by iLL_LeaT

Is existence possible without God?

No. And not only is existence not possible without God to bring something into existence, it is not possible without God to keep something in existence from nanosecond to nanosecond. God's essence IS existence, and everything that exists has some small amount of this essential existence imparted to it, all the time.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by iLL_LeaT

Is existence possible without God?

There is no creation without a Creator.

[Panda]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

There is no creation without a Creator.

But them what made the creator?

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Francine

No. And not only is existence not possible without God to bring something into existence, it is not possible without God to keep something in existence from nanosecond to nanosecond. God's essence IS existence, and everything that exists has some small amount of this essential existence imparted to it, all the time.

I agree. Which is why when someone asks "Is there God?" the answer is: "I am."

[stephenw]

Originally Posted by Panda

But them what made the creator?

I don't know, but it seems the same problem as what caused the big bang and the only solution that seems rational to me is something that exists outside time could have caused the big bang. This thing outside time may be called God?

[Panda]

Originally Posted by stephenw

I don't know, but it seems the same problem as what caused the big bang and the only solution that seems rational to me is something that exists outside time could have caused the big bang. This thing outside time may be called God?

But that doesn't answer the question. All it does is moves the problem of where did the universe come from to where did God come from.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

There is no creation without a Creator.

That is, until you get to the creator.
Then the creator "just is"?

So what of the creators creator?
And that creators creator?
and the creators creators creator?
and so on and so forth.
Funny how theists tend to not dwell on the creator of their creator.