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Old 03-28-2008, 11:02 AM
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Yes.

Wait....

No.

Wait...

I can't prove it either way, so that makes me right.
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Old 03-28-2008, 01:09 PM
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Simple, I could experience something based upon taking LSD, or being high on METH, or poor eyesight, or a very prejudicial mindset.
I see. So the "base" or criteria is a context for the "experience" to exist.

I would consider "taking LSD," "having poor eyesight," and "having a prejudicial mindset" to also be experienced.
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Old 03-28-2008, 05:52 PM
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I see. So the "base" or criteria is a context for the "experience" to exist.
Correct.
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To answer the original question, the universe probably has always been. I believe that is possible because the whole idea of creation itself may be an illusion. Creation (and destruction) I think, is just change. That is, the fundamental makeup of something never truly ceases to be, it just changes forms. Time is also an illusion if we consider that it is only a substantial concept when we consider memory (of past events) and imagination (of future events).
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I would consider "taking LSD," "having poor eyesight," and "having a prejudicial mindset" to also be experienced.
I see logician's point: experience and the experienced are not the same, any more than consciousness and content are the same.
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I see logician's point: experience and the experienced are not the same, any more than consciousness and content are the same.
The only difference is grammatical, i.e. a difference of perspective.
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The only difference is grammatical, i.e. a difference of perspective.
Only from a strictly monistic point of view.
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Only from a strictly monistic point of view.
I understood and maintained this long before I even knew what monism was (that is, before I came to RF).
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