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Old 01-11-2008, 04:31 PM
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God exists (or his existence questioned) when we are shackled; when freed from our shackles, God disappears but remains as a finger pointing.
Well God get less local.
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Old 01-11-2008, 04:39 PM
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Well God get less local.
No....God disappears because he is "apperceptually" experienced as universal presence: inside and outside are the same. Hence, "I and my Fater are one" is experientially realized.
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No....God disappears because he is "apperceptually" experienced as universal presence: inside and outside are the same. Hence, "I and my Fater are one" is experientially realized.
What do you mean by "'I and my Fater are one' is experientially realized."
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This is true. I was just trying to make a relation to make comprehension easier. But my point was that I see God as not apart of this system. And as a creator, not just an entity of our universe.
It is our choice ... that's one of the things I like about it. *smile*
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What do you mean by "'I and my Fater are one' is experientially realized."
The boundary between "self" and "other" breaks down: God disappears but remains as a finger pointing.
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Here are my thoughts (As of right this second). If the universe has always just been, then there may not be a God. However, It does not make since for this atom to be static for an infinite amount of time then just randomly explode.
The Universe has existed for all time and has a beginning.

On the surface it appears to be a contradiction but it really is not. You falsely assumed that because the Universe has always existed that it existed in a static state for an infinite time. The birth of the Universe (Big Bang) is the creation of all time (t=0). It is pointless to say what came before the Big Bang, because before comes with the connotation that there was time to be before.
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The boundary between "self" and "other" breaks down: God disappears but remains as a finger pointing.
Sorry, I'm trying. But I just don't see it that way.

To the questions like:

Why are we here?
How did we git here?
If there is no God, then why is here even here?

My answer (with my current presents of mind) is God must exist.



Maybe I belong back with cavemen, but I see God (as clear as mud).
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Sorry, I'm trying. But I just don't see it that way.

To the questions like:

Why are we here?
How did we git here?
If there is no God, then why is here even here?

My answer (with my current presents of mind) is God must exist.

Maybe I belong back with cavemen, but I see God (as clear as mud).
Those are good and fair questions. God exists as the nature of existence itself: he not a personality, but personality itself; God does not possess intelligence, but is intelligence itself; creatorship is not an attribute of God, but the aggregate of his acting nature.

Ask yourself this: what is the difference between an infinite something without boundaries and a void?
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Now I'm not really talking about science. I'm positive that anything out side of our realm is not observable. So I'm not really claiming anything just wondering what people think.

The fact of the matter is that we are all a little predispositioned to use God for that answers to things we can not rationalize. Our brains are hardwired that way. And I am as victim to that as anyone. As far as I know, that atom was not sitting there for an infinite amount of time before the big bang. Anything could have happened before that point in time. Maybe all of the observable evidence from before the Big Bang no longer existences. Who knows. Maybe God is just a super genius and figured out that we would not be able to rational deduce everything. And with our predisposition, we would just naturally turn to God.
In reply to the idea that we are predisposed to believe in God, perhaps we are predisposed to create our own gods to answer unanswerable questions.

And, if we are predisposed to believe in God, why are there atheists?

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Who crated God? That's a hard one. Who crated us? I don't know. I would have to say that at some point something just had to be. Is it God? Is it us (well not us but the universe)? I would think that it would have to be something infinite. So I guess the question is, is the universe infinite? If not, then what. Is so, does that mean that there is no God? or does that mean that there may not be a God?

Anyway I'm rambling.
If you want to say that for the universe to exist, a creator had to exist, but the creator could exist in of itself, isn't there some logical problems with that?

No, the universe is not infinite.
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The Universe has existed for all time and has a beginning.

On the surface it appears to be a contradiction but it really is not. You falsely assumed that because the Universe has always existed that it existed in a static state for an infinite time. The birth of the Universe (Big Bang) is the creation of all time (t=0). It is pointless to say what came before the Big Bang, because before comes with the connotation that there was time to be before.

Like time was somehow encapsulated in the atom?


I have a hard time wrapping my mind around ideas like this. Not saying you are wrong. I have read a few theories from people a lot smarter then me abut the first few seconds of the big bang. Some very strange ideas that don't really make since, but they work mathematically.


But the idea of time not being infinite is really hard for me to understand. I look at time as a conceptual measurement, not really existing. Now if your idea is that nothing happened before the big bang so you can't really measure a time interval. I can see that, sort of.


space-time could have been encapsulated, maybe. but that's different.
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