How big is the Universe? (Creator, God, Allah, Qur'an)

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Cordoba

To answer the question of this thread, after having seen from science how immense this universe really is, this hadith gives us a clue to what is beyond our universe, and how small and insignificant it is compared to the seven heavens and what is beyond:

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said:

"the worldly heaven in comparison to the second heaven is like a ring in a desert,

and the second heaven to the third is like a ring in a desert,

and the third to the fourth is like a ring in a desert,

and the fourth to the fifth is like a ring in a desert,

and the fifth to the sixth is like a ring in a desert,

and the sixth to the seventh is like a ring in a desert,

and the seventh to the kursiy is like a ring in a desert, and the kursi to the Throne of Allah (SWT) is like a ring in a desert."

That's how "small" our "immense" universe is !

I can attest to the relative accuracy of this, Cordoba. I often state that reality is inherently multidimensional, the thing is there is so much beyond even the seventh demarcation "line" that it dwarfs our shared reality to the point of virtual insiginificance. I rather suspect that Prophet Muhammed understood this, but didn't want his followers to feel too small. I could be being overly generous however.

[Cordoba]

The information Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, about the universe and what is beyond was revealed to him from God, The Creator of the universe

God is the All-Knowing

Our knowledge, like our size compared to the universe, it's a small drop in the ocean

[wednesday]

The universe can only expenad until all free energy has been absorbed due to the conservation of energy (energy lost by one object is the enrgy gained by another). Then we will have the heat death of the universe. So basically we're f***ed
You can argue religiously here but when you put your faith in the scientific proof, its easier to grasp the concept of the universe.

[logician]

Originally Posted by wednesday

The universe can only expenad until all free energy has been absorbed due to the conservation of energy (energy lost by one object is the enrgy gained by another). Then we will have the heat death of the universe. So basically we're f***ed
You can argue religiously here but when you put your faith in the scientific proof, its easier to grasp the concept of the universe.

I think there are many things that could do us in before the universe packs it in.

[Tau]

Originally Posted by ben d

Oh,...until now I understood that it was a matter of ongoing scientific conjecture as to the different theories pertaining to the universe!
That the 'finite' universe theory is in the dominant position in academic circles does mean that they get to have greater influence in the media, but this does not mean that it is fact! Alternative theories are challenging the contemporary orthodoxy.
Unless of course you are prepared to claim divine revelation?
IMHO infinity IS, because it couldn't be any other way,.but I do understand that human mortal curiosity must reduce infinity to a concept of finiteness so that the brain is able to deal with the local perceptions in time and space.

Really?

Glad to update you.

Divine revelation is not scientific evidence lol..

Space may be infinite my friend, it may be absolute, containing an infinite number of universes, but so far we can see only one, and we can use our instruments to confirm my earlier statements, my mental limitations non withstanding....however one thing I forgot to mention is that space is non elucidean, what you see isnt necessarily what you get...

[3.14]

btw how do you measure the size of the universum do we even have a name to give to it cause billiones will still fall short by a long shot to the size of the universe

[crystalonyx]

Some of the universe is "beyond the cone of light" as they say, i.e. the light from that part of the universe has not reached us, i.e. cannot be observed.

[ben d]

Originally Posted by crystalonyx

Some of the universe is "beyond the cone of light" as they say, i.e. the light from that part of the universe has not reached us, i.e. cannot be observed.

Correct,... as far as I understand, the observable universe is limited by the Hubble Radius, which is approximately 15 billion light years. The cosmos is actually infinite, but from anywhere within this infinity, any observation using light will create the impression that is limited to the Hubble radius.

In other words, the big bang theory treats the observable universe as being all there is, and though it is considered main stream science, there is much more to it.
Main stream science in many ways is like some fundamentalist religions, they mistake the dogmatic theoretical belief as truth itself.

[Tau]

Originally Posted by ben d

Correct,... as far as I understand, the observable universe is limited by the Hubble Radius, which is approximately 15 billion light years. The cosmos is actually infinite, but from anywhere within this infinity, any observation using light will create the impression that is limited to the Hubble radius.

In other words, the big bang theory treats the observable universe as being all there is, and though it is considered main stream science, there is much more to it.
Main stream science in many ways is like some fundamentalist religions, they mistake the dogmatic theoretical belief as truth itself.

We know how big the universe is because of the hubble constant, it tells us how much the universe has been expanding and assuming it started at a single point, which the backround radiation left over from the big bang confirms, we can then infer how big the universe should be now and at any point in the future.

We obtain values for the hubble constant by measuring the recession speeds of distant galaxies, by analyzing the doppler shift in the light we recieve from them..
Thats why those stupid mainstream scientists say the universe is finite, the fools...lol

Edit:
The infinite static universe theory has long been discarded...