How big is the Universe? (Creator, God, Allah, Qur'an)

[Cordoba]

Originally Posted by Francine

Yes, but since it is not possible to obtain light from further than a certain point, we cannot say there is a universe beyond that point. All we can say is that there is a universe up to that point, because we have evidence of it in the form of light. We might speculate that there are always more galaxies, but until we gather evidence, we can only speculate. So, for right now, the universe is as big in light-years as the age of the oldest light.

That's from the point of view of science, you're quite right

As from the point of view of religion, God tells us in the Qur'an that the heaven consists of seven "heavens", i.e. universes

Our universe is the smallest and beyond there are much wider universes

[Francine]

Originally Posted by Cordoba

As from the point of view of religion, God tells us in the Qur'an that the heaven consists of seven "heavens", i.e. universes

Catholic theologians also came up with nine ranks of angels. But Paul said (1 Tim. 1:3-4) As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work—which is by faith.

[Cordoba]

Yes, and the best proof is to study and find out whether there is a match between a certain (Divine Revelation) and the scientific facts or nor

Here is a sample:

Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an

[Francine]

Originally Posted by Cordoba

Yes, and the best proof is to study and find out whether there is a match between a certain (Divine Revelation) and the scientific facts or nor

There is certainly a mismatch between the Q'u'r'a'n and science.

18:86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

Doh!

[MFaraz_Hayat]

Originally Posted by Francine

There is certainly a mismatch between the Q'u'r'a'n and science.

18:86 Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

Doh!

SO, what's wrong here?
what's the "Doh!" about?
"Well, I heard this question in a debate b/w Zakir Naik and William Campbell. ANd, Zakir Naik did give a good response... here it is:
Chapter No.18, Verse No.86, that… ‘Zulqarnain sees the sun setting in murky water… in turbid water - Imagine sun setting in murky water… unscientific.’ The Arabic word used here is… it is 'wajada' meaning, ‘it appeared to Zulqarnain.’And Dr. William Campbell knows Arabic.So 'wajada' means - if you look up in the dictionary also, it means it appeared.’ So Allah Subhanawataala is describing what appeared to Zulqarnain.If I make a statement that… ‘The student in the class said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5.’ And you say… ‘Oh Zakir said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5. I did not say.I am telling…‘The student in the class said, 2 plus 2 is equal to 5.’ I am not wrong - The student is wrong.There are various ways to try and analyze this verse.One is this way - according to Muhammad Asad, that 'wajada' means… ‘It appeared to’… ‘It appeared to Zulqarnain.’ Point no.2 - The Arabic word used is 'Magrib' - It can be used for time, as well as place.When we say ‘sunset’ – ‘sunset’ can be taken for time.If I say… ‘The sun sets at 7 p.m.’; I am using it for time.If I say… ‘The ‘Sun sets in the West’, it means I am taking it for place.So here if we use the word 'Magrib' for time.So Zulqarnain did not reach that place of sunset - used - as time - He reached at the time of sun set. The problem is solved.Further more, you can solve them in various ways.Even if Dr. William Campbell says… ‘No No, the basic assumption is too much - It is not… ‘Appeared to’… it is actually this.’ Let us analyze it further.The Qur'anic verse says… the Sun set in murky water.’Now we know, when we use these words, like ‘sunrise’ and ‘sunset’ - does the sunrise? Scientifically, sun does not rise - neither does the sunset. We know scientifically, that the sun does not set at all. It is the rotation of the earth, which gives rise to sunrise and sunset. But yet you read in the everyday papers mentioning, sunrise at 6 a.m. sun sets at 7.00 p.m. Oh! The newspapers are wrong – Unscientific!’ If I use the word ‘Disaster’, Oh! There is a disaster’ – ‘Disaster’ means there is some calamity which has taken place. Literally, ‘disaster’ means ‘an evil star.’So when I say… ‘This disaster’ every one knows what I mean is ‘a calamity’, not about the evil star.’Dr. William Campbell and I know, when a person who is mad, we call him a lunatic - Yes or no? At least I do, and I believe Dr. William Campbell also will be doing that.We call a person ‘a lunatic’ – He is ‘mad.’ What is the meaning of ‘lunatic’? It means… ‘struck by the moon’ - But that is how the language has evolved. Similarly sun rise, is actually, it is just a usage of words.And Allah has given the guidance for the human beings also - He uses so, that we understand. So it is just ‘sunset’ - Not that it is actually setting - Not that sun is actually rising. So this explanation clearly gives us a clear picture, that the Verse of the Qur’an of Surah Kahf, Chapter.18, Verse No 86, is not in contradiction with established science - That is the way how people speak."

[Don Penguinoini]

So there you go Francine!

[Francine]

Originally Posted by penguino

So there you go Francine!

Well hush my mouth!

[Cordoba]

The Creator tells us in The Qur'an:

He Who created the seven heavens in layers. You will not find any discrepancy in the creation of the All-Merciful. Look again-do you see any gaps?

Then look again and again. Your sight will return to you dazzled and exhausted!

(The Qur'an, 67:3-4)

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[Don Penguinoini]

Hi-ho

[wednesday]

Unfortunately the Quran is about as reliable as me when it comes to theories on the universe. The only difference being i don't have millions of supporters. Scientifically, religious sccriptures are only slightly accurate, but so strangely worded that anyone can interpret anything from them and make it relate to today. It's like nostredamus (apologise for spelling) predicting 9/11