How big is the Universe? (Creator, God, Allah, Qur'an)

[Cordoba]

Revealing The Undiscovered - Van Den Bergh 149/50 and Lynds Dark Nebula 1235 by Tom Davis



Over the past few weeks we've taken a look at some pretty incredible regions of space through astrophotography - Wolf Rayet stars, Thackeray's Globules, tidal interactions and even giant dust clouds bursting with star birth. This time, let's take a look at something so obscure that it might even be the first time that it's been photographed…

Revealing The Undiscovered - Van Den Bergh 149/50 and Lynds Dark Nebula 1235 by Tom Davis | Universe Today

[kaat]

Hi Cordoba & All,

A Muslim friend once told me that Islam/the Koran embraces a lot more of current scientific theory (on a variety of topics) than does Christianity/the Bible. I can't recall the specifics, but views on evolution were being discussed.

Do you find this to be true? Honestly, my friend might have been finding words to interest me as a potential convert to Islam.

[zenzero]

Friends,
Existence is only limited by what the mind figures or sees. If one has an ever expanding mind to one limitless, boundriless, timeless then it is exactly so.
Watch that MIND first.
Love & rgds

[ben d]

Originally Posted by zenzero

Friends,
Existence is only limited by what the mind figures or sees. If one has an ever expanding mind to one limitless, boundriless, timeless then it is exactly so.
Watch that MIND first.
Love & rgds

Well said zenzero!

Without meaning to distract,...it really is a matter for each disciple to find out 'what' and 'who' they really are.

"The Kingdom of God is within" is a universal principle.

The idea that real truth can be obtained through reading and learning from external expert sources is an error.

[Cordoba]

Originally Posted by kaat

Hi Cordoba & All,

A Muslim friend once told me that Islam/the Koran embraces a lot more of current scientific theory (on a variety of topics) than does Christianity/the Bible. I can't recall the specifics, but views on evolution were being discussed.

Do you find this to be true?

Hi Kaat

The Qur'an includes a number of scientific hints.

A number of years ago, a French scientist, Maurice Baucaille, wrote a book titled "The Bible, The Qur'an and Science"

(The Holy Scriptures Examined in the Light of Modern Science)

This is the table of contents, if of interest:

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/default.htm

Concerning the topic of this thread, it includes a number of quotations on Astronomy in The Qur'an and the Creation of the Heavens and Earth

[zenzero]

Friend ben d,

The idea that real truth can be obtained through reading and learning from external expert sources is an error.

No, nothing in the universe is in error as what appears an error is but a balancing factor.
Reading helps in understanding and understanding leads to realisation.
This life personally have no guru as take existence as the supreme guru but most inputs one gets from reading for that understanding that is what RF too is providing BUT when one uses this understanding to live life according to that understanding only then does the full realisation takes place only then are we wiser only then are we enlightened.
Reading does not mean one has to be literate, it can be gained by listening also. DAys of yore when humans had not developed languages then too they had the understanding by observating nature and so we find in yoga / tai chi / kungfu that animals have been studied in depth. Please understand that nature is always in tune i.e. in meditation except humans who have to cut out the mind to reach that state and only in that state of meditation or the state when mind is bereft of thoughts do es man comes in tune or is one with nature or existence or god.
Love & rgds

[ben d]

Originally Posted by zenzero

Friend ben d,
No, nothing in the universe is in error as what appears an error is but a balancing factor.
Reading helps in understanding and understanding leads to realisation.
This life personally have no guru as take existence as the supreme guru but most inputs one gets from reading for that understanding that is what RF too is providing BUT when one uses this understanding to live life according to that understanding only then does the full realisation takes place only then are we wiser only then are we enlightened.
Reading does not mean one has to be literate, it can be gained by listening also. DAys of yore when humans had not developed languages then too they had the understanding by observating nature and so we find in yoga / tai chi / kungfu that animals have been studied in depth. Please understand that nature is always in tune i.e. in meditation except humans who have to cut out the mind to reach that state and only in that state of meditation or the state when mind is bereft of thoughts do es man comes in tune or is one with nature or existence or god.
Love & rgds

Zanzero said,..
"Existence is only limited by what the mind figures or sees. If one has an ever expanding mind to one limitless, boundriless, timeless then it is exactly so.
Watch that MIND first."

I understood from this post that you were pointing out the possibility of being united with the "one limitless, boundless, timeless MIND".

It was in this context that I posted,...
"Without meaning to distract,...it really is a matter for each disciple to find out 'what' and 'who' they really are.
The Kingdom of God is within" is a universal principle.
The idea that real truth can be obtained through reading and learning from external expert sources is an error."

Now it is my understanding that seeking knowledge from an external source implies duality but by definition the one MIND is immanent in all the universe and there is not another.. The very act of seeking for something implies duality,..an error of imagining that one is separated from that which one seeks.

Now there is no way around this difficulty of maya except through self realization of the inherent oneness by attaining to a state of union with the Oneness of all Being.
It is my understanding that an enlightened Mind reveals the truth of who we really are,... not as a belief, nor a concept, but in truth.

Now having said what I have said in the context of approaching the absolute Oneness, so far as the essential learning requirements appropriate for each stage of the path of each disciple, I am in general agreement with your comments in that context.

But at the end of these trials, the error of taking the perception of separateness as real will be finally be transcended. and the Unity that was always there will be revealed.

Ultimately Truth can only be received by Truth and the medium of conveying that Truth is Truth.

Again these words are mere concepts and as such mean little but to convey a mystery that awaits revelation, the awesome mystery of 'who am I?'.

[zenzero]

Friend ben d,
Your response was well understood and accepted in toto.
No differences there.
What you said is also correct that reading from external sources is an error; no doubt that when we are one then where is the need of the other. 100% agreed and accepted.
What was trying to point at is that there are no errors anywhere in existence and every thing is perfect as it is BUT they are meant for a purpose i.e. they are meant for others who are still not evolved. Please note there is no differences in general with your thoughts and no-thoughts.
AM sure this resolves our understanding of the misunderstanding.
Love & rgds

[ben d]

Thank you Zanzero,
Always appreciate your well directed comments to 'raise' the discussion to higher 'altitudes'.

...Namaste