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Old 05-21-2007, 05:09 PM
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Interesting but biased. If something is required to make the universe, why is nothing required to make God?
A beginning is a concept only when there is time. God does not exist in time. Your question is based on a flawed premise.
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Old 05-21-2007, 05:35 PM
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A beginning is a concept only when there is time. God does not exist in time. Your question is based on a flawed premise.
What if the origin of the universe didn't exist in time?
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:22 PM
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Why can the universe not be the First Cause, why does it have to be God?
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Old 05-21-2007, 08:13 PM
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Why can the universe not be the First Cause, why does it have to be God?
How would you suggest that science quantify this?
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Old 05-21-2007, 08:38 PM
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How would you suggest that science quantify this?
This calls for a First-cause-o-meter!
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Old 05-21-2007, 08:43 PM
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The more general point, however, is left unaddressed. If given a First Cause as axiom, on what grounds must (should?) one infer intentionality, i.e., why must this First Cause be purposive?
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:22 PM
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I'd like to know if God is really outside of time.
How would one prove this.... eternal is a measure of time after all.
let the mental gymnastics begin.

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Old 05-22-2007, 05:56 PM
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What if the origin of the universe didn't exist in time?
What if? Evidence points to a beginning.
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:59 PM
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