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Old 03-12-2007, 03:56 PM
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Would you be so kind as to explain how your quoted post above shows that science is merely for the sake of religion?
FatMan wrote: The mistake people make, including the post 2 above this is that science is connected to religion. It isn't - they are two seperate entities.

Hopefully, those quotes proved otherwise. Religion and science were intertwined. There was no division until the 0 was introduced into mathematics and science.
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:08 PM
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FatMan wrote: The mistake people make, including the post 2 above this is that science is connected to religion. It isn't - they are two seperate entities.

Hopefully, those quotes proved otherwise. Religion and science were intertwined. There was no division until the 0 was introduced into mathematics and science.
Ah.
For some reason I was thinking you were replying to the part: Only a fool thinks science exists for the sake of religion.


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Old 03-12-2007, 04:26 PM
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Ah.
For some reason I was thinking you were replying to the part: Only a fool thinks science exists for the sake of religion.
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I’m not sure about other religions and their take on science but my religion does not conflict with science. (Not that other religions are inferior – they are all paths to God).

Don’t worry about your writing. You brought your points across very effectively.

To me, science is just an attempt to justifying the way that God’s universe works.
I agree! My religious beliefs do not conflict with science either Of course, beliefs by their nature go beyond what science can prove...but there is a difference between that and direct contradiction.
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First let me say that as far as the Catholic Church is concerned there should be no conflict between science and religion because our search for knowledge is a search for God in some sense. Here is is straight from the horses mouth:

159 Faith and science: "Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth." "Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are." (Catechism of the Catholic Church Paragraph 159 itallics added)

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Only a fool thinks science exists for the sake of religion. It exists to help us become more knowledgeable about our surroundings and to understand why things act or do the things they do.
Becoming more knowledgeable of our surroundings and how things are does help us in religion and understanding God therefore, all attemps to gain knowledge and wisdom, including science, exist to further our understanding of God. Guess that makes me and a few billion Catholics around the world fools....
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Science does not exist for the sake of religion, and no one is claiming that it is. Science is a process that help us to understand the world around us. What I'm saying is that if one choose to believe in God, then it is not contriditing to refuse to believe in science? For exmaple, one of the reason I ask this is that there are many people that say they are religious, but refuse to read and understand evolution, and many work hard to make it so that evolution is not taught in school and such. Therefore, in the name of God, they are rejecting God imho. I truely believe that there is such thing as blind faith, but I also believe in those that are blinded by blind faith. IF God is the truth, then the search for truth should eventually lead us back to God.
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What I'm saying is that if one choose to believe in God, then it is not contriditing to refuse to believe in science? For exmaple, one of the reason I ask this is that there are many people that say they are religious, but refuse to read and understand evolution, and many work hard to make it so that evolution is not taught in school and such. Therefore, in the name of God, they are rejecting God imho. I truely believe that there is such thing as blind faith, but I also believe in those that are blinded by blind faith. IF God is the truth, then the search for truth should eventually lead us back to God.
Well said and I agree. If one belives in God one should interpret the discovered knowledge of science in that light to gain a better understanding of God rather than reject the discoveries of God's creation mady by scientists for reasons of blind faith.
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They didn't believe science existed for the sake of religion.
Wrong. Science for them was a way of getting closer to, and communing with, a rational God who, they believed, created a rational universe.
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I think people are misunderstanding my statements. I did not say that science and religion were NEVER connected. What I said is that they are seperate entities, meaning that TODAY they are seperate entities. Because religion, namely the Catholic church was also a government, EVERYTHING in the old days was tied in some way to religion.

However, modern science deals with an array of topics that have no correlation to religion. It has evolved. Creationism has not.

Early scientists like Newton may have used science to get closer to God - that doesn't mean that they based their findings on religious beliefs. The Law of Gravity is a perfect example of that.
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Why is there a conflict between science and religion? Why is it that some people reject science? I believe that God is existant, and science is merely trying to understand existance, hence, it is a tool for us to understand God...
There is conflict because there is misunderstanding, including your own. On t