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Psychic powers that enable people to see auras around others may simply be a quirk of the brain

Posted By: News-Medical in Medical Study News
Published: Monday, 18-Oct-2004

Supposed psychic powers that enable people to see auras around others may simply be a quirk of the brain, according to a University College London (UCL) study of a rare form of synaesthesia where some people see colourful ‘auras’ around their loved ones.
The case study, reported in the October issue of Cognitive Neuropsychology, shows how some people can experience colours in response to people they know or words that evoke emotions – a condition known as emotion-colour synaesthesia.

Dr Jamie Ward, author of the study, says: “A popular notion is that some people have a magical ability to detect the hidden emotions of others by seeing a colourful ‘aura’ or energy field that they give off. Our study suggests a different interpretation. These colours do not reflect hidden energies being given off by other people, rather they are created entirely in the brain of the beholder.”

In the study, Dr Ward of UCL’s Psychology Department documented a woman known as GW who could see colours like purple and blue in response to people she knew or their names when read to her. Words triggered a colour which spread across her whole field of vision, whilst people themselves appeared to have coloured ‘auras’ projected around them. For example, “James” triggered pink, “Thomas” black and “Hannah” blue.

A similar test using 100 words rated on a scale of 1 to 7 for their emotional impact showed that highly emotive words such as fear or hate also triggered colours. Words associated with positive emotions tended to elicit pink, orange, yellow, and green, whereas words associated with negative emotions triggered brown, grey, and black.

Whilst it is quite common to describe people or emotions metaphorically in terms of colours, GW actually reported vividly seeing them. Indeed, when “James” (a pink word) was written in the wrong colour (e.g. blue), her reaction times were slowed.

Synaesthesia is a condition found in 1 in 2000 people in which stimulation of one sense produces a response in one or more of the other senses. For example, people with synaesthesia may experience shapes with tastes or smells with sounds. It is thought to originate in the brain and some scientists believe it might be caused by a cross-wiring in the brain, for example between centres involved in emotional processing and smell perception. Synaesthesia is known to run in families.

GW, 19-year old with an IQ of 112, became aware of her condition around the age of seven but refrained from telling her family or friends. In GW’s case, people acquired a synaesthetic colour as she got to know them and the colour was then triggered whenever she was presented with the person’s name or face.

In contrast, a case discovered in the 1930s documents a seven year old boy who also associated colours with people, but saw strangers in bright orange with a black outline which faded to a mild blue and finally pink when he got to know them.

Dr Jamie Ward continues: “The ability of some people to see the coloured auras of others has held an important place in folklore and mysticism throughout the ages. Although many people claiming to have such powers could be charlatans, it is also conceivable that others are born with a gift of synaesthesia.

“GW does not believe she has mystical powers and has no interest in the occult, but it is not hard to imagine how, in a different age or culture, such an interpretation could arise.

“Rather than assuming that people give off auras or energy fields that can only be detected by rigged cameras or trained seers, we need only assume that the phenomenon of synaesthesia is taking place.”
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I just had a thought (Oh no!). Suppose for a moment that there really are auras. Further suppose that only about 1 in 2000 people can see them. Lastly suppose that there is an evolutionary reason why these two "facts" are so. That is, suppose that the ability to see auras is something that is currently evolving in our species. Just like color vision -- which is now common to our species -- was once in the distant past something uncommon in our species because it was back then newly evolving.

Now that we've made all these wild suppositions, let's ask the question: How can we tell whether auras exist independent of the human brain (i.e. exist independent of the brains of the people who can see them)? Is there some way to independently verify their existence?
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How about a spectrometer? All electromagnetic radiation can be detected...so if someone is emitting wavelengths of light that the rest of us can't see, we are still able to detect this light.

Do people emit different radio waves, or ultraviolet waves depending on their emotions? I doubt it, but it could easily be tested.
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A spectrometer should work. Now, why didn't I think of that!
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Ahh, it seems you haven't yet grasped the peculiar language of the paranormal; it has "colors" that have nothing to do with emr, "energy" that can't be measured in ergs, "vibrations" that have no measureable rate (indeed, they talk of 'higher' vibrations, not faster ones). One might say, sympathetically, that they are using physical language metaphorically to suggest the nature of something not yet well understood. I think it's closer to the truth to say that they are using a "bait-and-switch" language, which is parasitic on the very science they deny for its deceptive appearance of meaningfulness. - Brian
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