Scientific Evidence That Islam is the true religion (blood, evolution)

[YmirGF]

One could also site scientific evidence in the Cat in the Hat or Charlie and the Chocolate factory.

[Ezzedean]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

One could also site scientific evidence in the Cat in the Hat or Charlie and the Chocolate factory.

Well... if you must know.. Cat in the Hat and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory are both mentioned clearly within the text of the Quran... so it couldn't be more obvious that they do contain some serious proofs.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory produces some pretty amazing stuff Ymir... it's one thing to speak against the Quran and my faith but you and I will have to throw down if you continue to insult Dr.Seus books and my childhood movie Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.


Peace and Blessings

[zasetsu57]

"Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allâh) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness." S. 18:86

That is the "science" of the Q'uran speaking of where the sun sets.......

[zasetsu57]

"speaking of pegs in the ground and the pegs splitting to create the mountains was actually a scientific truth to the creation of mountains".........mountains are created by the convergence of tectonic plates...not "pegs splitting".....scientific truth? Not even close!!!

[Ezzedean]

Originally Posted by zasetsu57

"Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allâh) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness." S. 18:86

That is the "science" of the Q'uran speaking of where the sun sets.......

Umm... I'm not too sure if I understand. It's not saying how it sets or where the sun sets. Have you read the whole story? Moses is speaking with a man with great knowledge. Moses want's to learn from him but the man keeps saying the he(moses) won't have the patience for him. So I will start from 18:82 where the man is telling moses a story.

"As for the Wall, it belonged to two youths, orphans, in the Town; there was. beneath it; a buried treasure, to which they were entitled; their father had been a righteous man: so thy Lord desired that the should attain their age of full strength and get out their full treasure- a mercy (and favour) from thy Lord. I did it not of my own accord. Such is the interpretation of (those things) over which thou wast unable to hold patience."

83: They ask thee concerning Zul qarnain. Say, "I wil rehearse to you something of his story."

84: Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.

85: One (such) way he followed,

86: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul qurnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

Now I dont think this verse is saying that u can find the sun in a spring of murky water once it sets. He found a place when the sun set which was at a spring of murky water, and near that water he found a people... because later on in this story it says

18:89 Then followed he (another) way,

18:90 Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection from the sun.

Now it's clearly not saying that the sun only raises over these people... It's just he was following a path when the sun was raised he was with a certain group of people, just like above when the sun set he was with a certain group of people.

I've gotta go to work... I'm gonna find out more about this verse to know the EXACT meaning of it... but I'm pretty certain it's not saying what you think it's saying... but you and I will discuss the whole story after from 18:70-110 so we can fully understand.

Peace and blessings

[maro]

Originally Posted by JerryL

How about this: Instead of hurling websites, someone here who wishes to assert that the Quran clearly knows something that it clarly should not know give a single example (perhaps two) and defend it?

So, what is your absolute best argument?

alright jerryl,
I think I will pick something from the website of Dr. zaghloul el nagar, whose link is inside one of the links I have posted

because I trust this Man personnally, and I respect him very much,
and I am sure that this site is not a misleading one
and I was listening to his simple explanation in a T.v. progaram about the miracuolous verses in sura 81,
especially the verse 15 and 16,
and how they accurately describe one of the most known cosmological facts

but I think I will have to wait untill, his english website is finished
because it's hard for me to translate from arabic

[Ezzedean]

Originally Posted by zasetsu57

"speaking of pegs in the ground and the pegs splitting to create the mountains was actually a scientific truth to the creation of mountains".........mountains are created by the convergence of tectonic plates...not "pegs splitting".....scientific truth? Not even close!!!

I'm sure you're not gonna believe me but I honestly just made a mistake..... the term in which the Quran uses (which I will show later because I honestly have to be at work) is plates. I wasn't a hundred percent certain what the word was because i've only read it a couple times and for some reason pegs came to mind, but thank you for refreshing my memory becaue plates is the word used in the Quran... thank you for proving me right on that one. I have work until 11... and I promise to you that I will give you the verse which uses the words plates and explains the "convergence" you were speaking of... I give you my word. Talk to you later.

Peace and Blessings

[Ryan2065]

Originally Posted by maro

alright jerryl,
I think I will pick something from the website of Dr. zaghloul el nagar, whose link is inside one of the links I have posted

because I trust this Man personnally, and I respect him very much,
and I am sure that this site is not a misleading one
and I was listening to his simple explanation in a T.v. progaram about the miracuolous verses in sura 81,
especially the verse 15 and 16,
and how they accurately describe one of the most known cosmological facts

but I think I will have to wait untill, his english website is finished
because it's hard for me to translate from arabic

Can you post the verses and at least tell us what he says they describe?

[maro]

Originally Posted by Ryan2065

Can you post the verses and at least tell us what he says they describe?

no I couldn't do that
because I couldn't find a translation that truely applies to the arabic words,by 100%, or even close
which is very important here to reveal the right meaning

so I will have to wait, to see how Dr. Zaghloul el nagar is going to translate it

[stemann]

I found chapter 81, verses 15-16:

Originally Posted by Allah pbuh

081.015
YUSUFALI: So verily I call to witness the planets - that recede,
PICKTHAL: Oh, but I call to witness the planets,
SHAKIR: But nay! I swear by the stars,
081.016
YUSUFALI: Go straight, or hide;
PICKTHAL: The stars which rise and set,
SHAKIR: That run their course (and) hide themselves,

Edit: Not sure if sura meant chapter though.