Scientific Evidence That Islam is the true religion (blood, evolution)

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by Islam

The Quran, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago, mentioned facts only recently discovered or proven by scientists. This proves without doubt that the Quran must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him to the Prophet Muhammad , and that the Quran was not authored by Muhammad or by any other human being. This also proves that Muhammad is truly a prophet sent by God. It is beyond reason that anyone fourteen hundred years ago would have known these facts discovered or proven only recently with advanced equipment and sophisticated scientific methods. Some examples follow.

no it doesn't.

at best, it proves an entity with knowledge and ability beyond our own, it does not prove omnipotence or omnibenevolence, two things i understand as being key characteristics of God according to Islam.

[Ryan2065]

" We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... " (Quran, 23:12-14)

Is the "created man from an extract of clay" explained or do we just throw it away to make this statement correct?

[Bishka]

The Qur'an no more proves that Islam is the true religion then does the Bible or any other religious texts.

[Tiberius]

if you wish us to believe your claims, please show that it is impossible for the people to have learnt this in any other way.

[kai]

We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... then we relate this to modern science and we get----------------- proof?

• Mix the heart of the clay that is over the abyss,
  The good and princely fashioners will thicken the clay,
  You, [Nammu] do you bring the limbs into existence;
  Ninmah [earth-mother or birth goddess] will work above you,
  The goddesses [of birth] . . . will stand by you at your fashioning;
  O my mother, decree its [the newborn's] fate,
  Ninmah will bind upon it the image (?) of the gods,
  It is man . . . . (Kramer, History Begins 109)

Jacobsen translates these apparently difficult to decipher lines somewhat differently, seeing a "birth chair" where Kramer sees the "image" of the gods. Jacobsen's translation also stresses that the fashioning of the newborn imitates in some way the growth of a fetus in the womb. Jacobsen translates the moment of birth like this (words and letters in brackets represent gaps in the original text):

• [Without] the sperm
  of a ma[le]
  she gave [birth]
  to offspri[ng.,]
  to the [em]bryo
  of mankind. (Harps 157)

• sumerian creation of man myth-------------------------proof?

• ancient people were not stupid they had seen embryos aborted,miscaried etc

source:http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/SumerianMyth.htm

[lilithu]

Let me guess, Harun Yahya, right?

You guys should mix it up a little instead of posting the exact same thing every time, lifted directly from the book. Then at least you wouldn't be as easy to spot.

[Ezzedean]

Originally Posted by NordicBearskin

Only if one interprets those verses in a particular way, much like how a few Christians claim that the creation story in Genesis is really a coded message supporting evolution. Last time I checked, I wasn't made out of clay.

I see what you're saying and agree with you a bit, but you can't deny that in that verse God is trying to explain how we are created. God is telling us the steps in this verse, so can you tell me how you would interpret this verse?

" We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... " (Quran, 23:12-14)

The english translations use those words (leech, suspended thing, blood clot and chewed substance) so how else would you interpret that verse when it is clear as day that they match scientific pictures of the process which takes place in the womens body?

Does the interpretation given in the previous post not seem to be the most logical? You have to remember God couldn't sit and give all the scientific terms and difficult explanations, due to the fact that the word is for everyone and not just the intelligent people. Can you atleast agree that it does make sense for it to be explaining the stages of birth? And that it could actually be a pretty accurate description of the process (how it looks)? There are many books written on the scientific aspect of the Quran, written by non-muslim scientists who agree that there are many descriptions within the text of the Quran were in no way possible for anyone to know about during the time it was written. It seems clear to me... but I'm a muslim, but from what I've read in legit books (not just internet websites) experienced and respected scientists agree.

Peace and Blessings.

[kai]

Originally Posted by Ezzedean

I see what you're saying and agree with you a bit, but you can't deny that in that verse God is trying to explain how we are created. God is telling us the steps in this verse, so can you tell me how you would interpret this verse?

" We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)... " (Quran, 23:12-14)

The english translations use those words (leech, suspended thing, blood clot and chewed substance) so how else would you interpret that verse when it is clear as day that they match scientific pictures of the process which takes place in the womens body?

Does the interpretation given in the previous post not seem to be the most logical? You have to remember God couldn't sit and give all the scientific terms and difficult explanations, due to the fact that the word is for everyone and not just the intelligent people. Can you atleast agree that it does make sense for it to be explaining the stages of birth? And that it could actually be a pretty accurate description of the process (how it looks)? There are many books written on the scientific aspect of the Quran, written by non-muslim scientists who agree that there are many descriptions within the text of the Quran were in no way possible for anyone to know about during the time it was written. It seems clear to me... but I'm a muslim, but from what I've read in legit books (not just internet websites) experienced and respected scientists agree.

Peace and Blessings.

Ezzadean as i posted already the ancient sumerians had a similar creation of man myth, throughout human history women would have had miscarriages or some problem with carrying a child to full term, fetuses at different stages of developmentwould have been evident to physicians and midwives from time immemorial

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by kai

ancient people were not stupid they had seen embryos aborted,miscaried etc

Yup. It constantly amazes me when people argue "how could they have known? that proves there was...." Divine revelation, or extraterrestrials, or fill in the blank. ancient peoples did not have electron microscopes and the internet, but they were no more stupid than we are now. They observed their world and made educated guesses and figured things out, which is how we got to where we are.

[drekmed]

Originally Posted by kai

ancient people were not stupid they had seen embryos aborted,miscaried etc

Yep, for people to claim otherwise is to insult their own ancestor's intelligence and ability to perceive the world around them. If they weren't intelligent or perceptive enough to know what a miscarriage meant and looked like, since I'm sure it was a very common occurence, then why are the writings of someone from that period so revered?