Science confluenced with Religion (Earth, creation, genesis, theist, scriptures)

[Super Universe]

You think the gravitational pull of Venus caused the great flood? The moon's
gravitational pull has to be about a thousand times greater than Venus' ever could be yet it doesn't cause worldwide floods.

So Noah and the rest of humanity lived on 22 feet of ice? I wonder how trees grew to provide wood for the ark?

God did not send a flood. The ancients had no understanding of it so they blamed it all on God. God did not send fireballs into Soddom but the ancients gave Him blame for that too.

We still do that same thing by calling natural events "Acts of God" when God has never done any of these things. He is the Creator, not destroyer.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

If I'm understanding the question correctly, Jesus calmed the waters of the Sea of Galilee simply by stretching forth His hand. This would be an example of a miracle that superceded the laws of nature.

We don't know everything.

It is not possible to violate the true laws set by God for the universe. Just because we don't know how Jesus performed some things does not mean He violated physics.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

We don't know everything.

It is not possible to violate the true laws set by God for the universe. Just because we don't know how Jesus performed some things does not mean He violated physics.

I'll go along with that. But from our perspective, with our limited understanding, what He did was miraculous. So let's just say that He superceded the laws of nature as we understand them, not as they truly exist.

[ALifetimeToWaitFor....]

http://www.physorg.com/news63367761.html

Lastest theory points to the hint Jesus actually walked on ice.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by TimetoWasteTimeToWait

http://www.physorg.com/news63367761.html

Lastest theory points to the hint Jesus actually walked on ice.

No comment.

[Super Universe]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I'll go along with that. But from our perspective, with our limited understanding, what He did was miraculous. So let's just say that He superceded the laws of nature as we understand them, not as they truly exist.

The Urantia Book stresses that no physical laws were broken when Jesus turned water into wine.

The wine was made through the normal process, the only physical effect that was alterred was time as we know it.

[SoyLeche]

Originally Posted by TimetoWasteTimeToWait

http://www.physorg.com/news63367761.html

Lastest theory points to the hint Jesus actually walked on ice.

I think we've discussed this one here already. Basically, is there any real difference between believing that Christ walked on water and believing that a very rare set of circumstances occurred to form ice on the lake, that it happened at the exact spot that Christ needed it to, and that he was able to ballance on it and somehow propel it out to where the boat was? Either way, pretty miraculous.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by robtex

That statement is contadictory in nature if God is proposed is omnipotent. If God has to use science to bring about his purposes than by virtue of his need of science he is non-omnipotent. The more prevenlant standard in the theist camp is that of supernaturalism which is God is beyond the laws of the universe and therefore omnipotent. If God is not beyond the nature than he is subservient to nature and thus by no means omnipotent.

The flood you talk about, if it were an actual event, would mark God in man's eyes as a mass murder.

For those wishing to get some clarification on how omnipotence has been traditionally understood:
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/102503.htm