Isn't a scientist, more faithful than a priest? (Darwin, creation)

[Carlos Andres Restrepo]

ok so this is what i believe......

lets say from the point of view of a theist, that God created the universe. from my point of view, a priest limitates to say: God created the universe, is beautiful the way it is, "i'm too scared to ask God if He is right. people follows me, so, for the well being of my reputation i rather believe in what the bible says"

Now a scientist might say: Indeed the world is beautiful, however i truly want to know WHY. I'm not affraid with reveling against the world just in order to find truth (remember darwin and others were much critiziced because of their studies), i want people to UNDERSTAND how the world works. I do not conform with what was stablished, and i want to use life to create more life..

fortunately: i have met some priest who said: Go find your own answers, and remember how beautiful life is, even when it seems not to be.

unfortunately: some scientist use their researches to create weapons.

so i just want, in this question, you to think in the kind of priest who neglects science. and focus on the kind of scientist who researches in fields like medicine. wouldn't that kind of scientist be more faithful than that kind of priest?

sorry if the question is kind of weird, i'm not sure how to put it in the right words...

[fantôme profane]

I think you might have an interesting idea here, but I am not sure what it is. Maybe you could explain what you mean by “faithful”.

[Carlos Andres Restrepo]

Jacob was left alone; and a man wrestled with him until daybreak.When the man saw that he did not prevail against Jacob, he struck him on the hip socket; and Jacob's hip was put out of joint as he wrestled with him. Then he said, "Let me go, for the day is breaking." But Jacob said, "I will not let you go, unless you bless me." So he said to him, "What is your name?" And he said, "Jacob." Then the man said, "You shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with humans, and have prevailed."And God blessed him....

so, this is from the bible, and here they actually invite you to struggle with God, because if you believe blind-faithed, it means that you believe because of your own ego, because you are so sure that you are right that you are scare of finding the answers, so this came up to my mind, thinking that a scientist, does reveal against God, and a scientist, does try to search for truth. A scientist is not blind-faithed, he keeps researching even when he knows that in his life he will not get to a final answer, but he leaves a research for others to continue it........
so a scientist is actually willing to say: "why? how?".....he wants to learn from Gods creation, whats wrong with that?

[fantôme profane]

I think that what you are describing here is not Faith, but Courage. It takes courage to face the devastating awe of the universe, and still ask for more. It takes courage to search for that truth that you may never find. It takes courage to face the truth of just how little we know and understand.

Faith as I understand it (and I don’t) is about accepting something without sufficient evidence. Science is about searching for the evidence, and following the evidence where it leads, even if it conflicts with what you believe. I realize that many scientists are also people of faith, but I still believe that faith is anathema to science.

Some people are content to bow down and worship in the face of “God”. Others will stand up and demand answers.

[Nimrod]

Seems to me you are comparing apples and oranges here. Religion has questions about why and science asks question about how. Religious people see things using mainly their emotions while scientists see things through logic. Religious people think there is little to learn, all the knowledge we need is right there in the Bible. Scientists realize that we have much to learn and we will Never Know it all. Religion is a theory that is set in stone and all discoveries must conform to that theory (story) or be cast aside. Science is the use of logic in pursuing truth even when the answers seem to contradict standard theory. It seems that they both have FAITH in their approach (i.e. Faith in the story, Faith in logic ) however their results are remarkable different. Allthough religion has played a major role in helping to civilize mankind they offer little other tangible benefits. Science on the other hand has given all that we have today, all aspects of our lives can be attributed to their proven track record of being right. Thats not to say they know it all because they dont and they know it. I would submit that scientists have less faith considering that many scientists spend so much time and effort testing and retesting each others theories.

[akshar]

When you ask what is more faithful, a priest of what faith, if you speak of christianity or islam then yes a scientistis more faithful, but if you speak of hinduim for examle the saints there are unbelievable. They are amazing, the wake up 4 o'clock in the morning perform prayers give lectures and help people like breaking addictions, they dont go to sleep till about 11 at the night, they stay up late with children sometimes, learn scriptures over ad over again then hey go to sleep, hindu saints are very dedicated to everything there lifestyle is very simple, in that sense yes priest conquers the scientist.

[BFD_Zayl]

"its kind of ironic, scientists who do not believe in God, are in fact, the closest thing to him" ---Edward Elric, Full Metal Alchemist. (Tv show)

[Random]

I think some people are confusing "Faith", which refers to personal revelation, and "Belief".

If I believe something and it is proven true evidentially, then it ceases to be a belief and becomes a fact.

If I believe something and evidence to the contrary is extant, my belief is false provided the duality involved is really rational and logical. Science & Religion for example, form a false duality which some Atheists/Agnostics use to support their sense of self-identity, whilst Creationists do likewise for the same reason.

The priest says "I believe what is evident to me", the Scientist says "The evidence points and directs us to this being a fact"

More often than not, their respective beliefs meet half-way and merge quite nicely.

[lamplighter]

I enjoyed Full Metal Alchemist, it was pretty deep for a cartoon series, I especially enjoyed the ending, anyway I think people treat too many words as if they're interchangable. Like the words faith, belief, and knoweldge, all frequently interchanged as if there were no consequences.