Will Science Discover How Life Originated? (evolution, God, verse, Roman)

[Seyorni]

Originally Posted by sandy whitelinger

Something that seems to lacking in this whole search for the origins of life is that they are really searching for the origins of the vessel of life and how it could have originated. What life is, not how it is defined, is much more elusive.

And here we have an example of the example #1 from my previous post, cropping up even before any biogenesis is even proposed, much less attempted or accomplished.

[michel]

I don't have a life; I voted 'other' by Mistake!

I don't think science will ever be able to prove how life Originated. Scientists may get close, but I would imagine the result will be one that lacks absolute proof.

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

And here we have an example of the example #1 from my previous post, cropping up even before any biogenesis is even proposed, much less attempted or accomplished.

Your example #1 was an "if." If that becomes a reality then you may have a point. None of what you have said effects the point of my statement.

[Seyorni]

The mechanics of life may be philosophically mind-boggling, but biologically they are straightforward and probably not all that complex. Of course biology will soon sort out the basic mechanism.

Weather one accepts the clear, unambiguous empirical and theoretical evidence is a personal choice.
Those who hold axiomatic religious views will, of course, be entirely immune to evidence and reason.

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

The mechanics of life may be philosophically mind-boggling, but biologically they are straightforward and probably not all that complex. Of course biology will soon sort out the basic mechanism.

It seems that the the mechanisms of life have been sorted out for quite a while. Yet what seems confounding is that actual life and the mechanisms of life seem to be independant of each other.

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Those who hold axiomatic religious views will, of course, be entirely immune to evidence and reason.

In your humble opinion. what amkes you so sure that you aren't describing yourself here in an axiomatic sort of way?

[Victor]

Evolution hasn't been around long enough for me to doubt and wait for the eye of time. If comes, then I will accept it.

Originally Posted by Seyorni

No matter what science creates there will be those who say it is insufficient.
If we make a simple life form some will say we didn't create the actual life but just a vehicle animated by a still mysterious life-force.
Some will say so what-- it can never evolve into anything complex.
Some will say we just assembled the materials and God created the life.

Like evolution, no matter how much data and understanding science amasses, there will be those who twist, deny or misinterpret it.

This sounds so similar to what theist say about their respectful beliefs. Just fill in the blank.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Weather one accepts the clear, unambiguous empirical and theoretical evidence is a personal choice.
Those who hold axiomatic religious views will, of course, be entirely immune to evidence and reason.

This is simply not true. Why would axiomatic religious views do such a thing?

There are non-rational, emotional, and psychological (even geographical and sociological) influences on both sides (theist and non-theist). To deny that for either is folly, in my opinion. This is the backbone for the development of axioms.

[Seyorni]

Those who know the truth already, especially if this knowledge is right-brained and not arrived at by critical analysis of available evidence, are famously resistant to all evidence countering their established opinions.
Why is this hard to accept?
The advancement of human knowledge has been hampered by such people for a thousand years, especially when they are in positions of political or ecclesiastic power.

[Sunstone]

Although I am unsure I entirely agree with his attempt to explain why it is as it is, I do believe Sey has a point here that the willful ignorance, irrationality, and unreasonableness of at least some theists concerning such things as abiogenesis is very well documented even here, on our Forum, in the many threads on creationism. That is, one needn't even go to a site like Answers In Genesis, or whatever it's called, to see these things. You can go through so many threads here alone to see them. So, I cannot imagine how anyone can deny that some theists are willfully ignorant, irrational, and unreasonable on this issue. What, then, does it matter why they are so?