the universe (evolution, creation, heaven, Article)

[may]

The Universe—Did It Come About by Chance?
Our universe contains countless heavenly bodies. How did they originate? What does the scientific evidence show?

[Opethian]

The conclusion of that article uses faulty logic. It implies that it cannot be chance that the universe and its laws are so beautifully designed to harbor its life. What it fails to see is that the appearance of the universe being designed for life is that life is a result of the universe, and thus the universe has shaped life by its very existance, by being the origin of this life, and having an effect on its development. The same faulty logic is often used by creationists and intelligent design proponents in their "arguments" against evolution. It also fails to see that only very very few planets of the huge amount of them in the universe are capable of harboring life, which goes perfectly along with these described "small chances", and along with that it fails to take into account the factor of time.

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by Opethian

The conclusion of that article uses faulty logic.

...What it fails to see is that the appearance of the universe being designed for life is that life is a result of the universe, and thus the universe has shaped life by its very existance, by being the origin of this life...

This can also be seen as faulty logic. You are basing your premise on the assumption that the conclusion is true (life is a result of the universe).

[mr.guy]

Originally Posted by sandy whitelinger

This can also be seen as faulty logic. You are basing your premise on the assumption that the conclusion is true (life is a result of the universe).

Not so faulty; it could be proven so if we could create life without a universe, i suppose.

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by mr.guy

... it could be proven ...

Oh please, please please, please eludidate on this.

[Opethian]

This can also be seen as faulty logic. You are basing your premise on the assumption that the conclusion is true (life is a result of the universe).

A lot of evidence suggests that my conclusion is true, although the evidence is not conclusive enough yet to take the assumption as a fact. But as time progresses we shall see that more and more evidence will support the conclusion.

[mr.guy]

Originally Posted by sandy whitelinger

Oh please, please please, please eludidate on this.

Well, as best i'm aware, we haven't come across life without a universe. I don't think one would be to hasty in saying, in the least, that life is basically facilitated by the "being of" a universe. Just a simple observation, and i don't think it begs much fallacy.

[Seyorni]

If I pour a thousand ping-pong balls into a barrel they will arrange themselves in a precise geometric pattern every time. Magic? Intelligent Design? Am I God?

No -- This is the inevitable result of the blind laws of physics. Order and complexity does not necessitate a conscious, magical Agent.

Why do people have this need to posit an invisible, magical being behind everything too complex to be immediately apprehended?

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by mr.guy

Well, as best i'm aware, we haven't come across life without a universe. I don't think one would be to hasty in saying, in the least, that life is basically facilitated by the "being of" a universe. Just a simple observation, and i don't think it begs much fallacy.

Oh let me count the fallacies. Begging the Question, Burden of Proof, Questionable Cause, Confusing Cause and Effect. There may be more.

[sandy whitelinger]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

If I pour a thousand ping-pong balls into a barrel they will arrange themselves in a precise geometric pattern every time. Magic? Intelligent Design? Am I God?

No -- This is the inevitable result of the blind laws of physics. Order and complexity does not necessitate a conscious, magical Agent.

Why do people have this need to posit an invisible, magical being behind everything too complex to be immediately apprehended?

Who made the ping-pong balls?