Why religious organizations are forced to use “scientific” language to prove their po (ritual, homosexuality)

[Tony]

Originally Posted by nutshell

Tony, if you call me a "slave" for believing my religion then I must return the favor and call you a "slave" to the physcial world.

My religion does not use the scientific language you speak of. It leaves the spiritual to religion and the science to the scientists.

Not too hard a concept. To each his own.

....and never imply I'm a slave again. Free will is very important to me.

I don't worship anything.

I don't believe in any "higher power" above me.

I'm just a part of the psysical world as everything and everybody else.

Don't tell me please what to imply or not.

My free will and freedom is very important to me too.

If free will was important to a person, that person would never put him/herself in this "slave-like" situation.

Religious organizations do it to theists and theists do it to themselves.

I don't put them in that situation.

As soon as a person starts to believe that there is something (god, "higher power", "intelligent designer")"above" him/herself, that person puts him/herself automatically "below" it.

That's what I call a "slave-like" situation.

[evearael]

Read Foucault. Learn about the power dynamics inherent in every relation.

[Tony]

Originally Posted by Booko

Your title claims that you can find it everywhere on any religious site. Try this one:

http://info.bahai.org/article-1-3-2-18.html


Oh, btw, my holy books were written in the last half of the 19th century.

Methinks you should get out more?

btw, I'm no fonder of the folks you're railing against than you are.

My mistake!


Thanks for the offer!

I read about few religions and all of them, that I read have one thing in common - they look for an answer outside of science and physical world.
What's the point of reading about all of the religions when the difference is in not what people worship but about why people worship anything at all?

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by Tony

I read about few religions and all of them, that I read have one thing in common - they look for an answer outside of science and physical world.
What's the point of reading about all of the religions when the difference is in not what people worship but about why people worship anything at all?

You have obviously NOT read about all religions. Why do you keep generalizing all religions to be exactly the same?

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Tony

As soon as a person starts to believe that there is something (god, "higher power", "intelligent designer")"above" him/herself, that person puts him/herself automatically "below" it.

Hi Tony:

Just a quick question...do you think "Truth" is higher than you are?

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Tony

I read about few religions and all of them, that I read have one thing in common - they look for an answer outside of science and physical world.

Oh, I know what you mean. But it pays to be careful or you may wind up the equivalent of aliens that land in the Sahara and then proclaim the entire Earth a desert.

One thing I am peculiar about asking people to do, whether theist or non-theist, is do the research as best you can.

What's the point of reading about all of the religions when the difference is in not what people worship but about why people worship anything at all?

How can you expect to understand why people worship at all if you don't do a good study of why, in fact, people from various religions and povs worship? (Not to mention what people actually think it means to "worship" -- you might be surprised.)

If you limit your view to a couple of Western religions, that makes as much sense as someone doing research on human sexual practices, but only looking at what happens in North American culture, and then making conclusions about human sexual practices generally.

There's a little more to the world than just that slice. Same thing with religions. If you want to be scientific, you won't hear complaints from me, but take care your methodology is sound.

[Nehustan]

Originally Posted by Mike182

many religious speakers use philosophical language.... is philosophy a science? not in my mind, but i could be wrong

There is certainly philosophy of science. Google 'Popper' or 'Kuhn'.

[kevmicsmi]

Originally Posted by Tony

As soon as a person starts to believe that there is something (god, "higher power", "intelligent designer")"above" him/herself, that person puts him/herself automatically "below" it.

That's what I call a "slave-like" situation.

Wow you have some crazy definitions of things. So anybody who strives for good in anything is a slave to something? You might want to read about slavery and let me know if slavery is a choice.

You know what Tony.....THANK YOU.....I wish I would have had your definitions before I was self employed. Gosh I could have just told my boss that even though Im getting paid what the market bears for my job, I was going to sue him because I was "below" him, and that is like uh slavery and stuff.

[Nehustan]

Originally Posted by FeathersinHair

I'm sorry, but your continued antagonistic approach to theism is still not helping your 'cause'. You also don't seem to take into account those religions that embrace science, nor does your labelling of us 'slaves' include those religions that do not believe themselves to be the only path to god. (If there is a path to Diety.)

I will be creating a thread based on my confusion over your approach to these things. Please do me the honor of attending it.

Actually it is considered a matter of honour to be called a 'slave' or 'Abd'. The scholar Al Ghazali writes in his book the 99 beautiful names of God, that it is impossible for man to manifest the attributes of the infinite and absolute, but by invoking these names by becoming slave, i.e. Al Haqq/The (source of) Truth, Abd' Al Haqq/Slave of The (source of) Truth, one might make the human equivalent of the divine trait become manifest within the person.