Why religious organizations are forced to use “scientific” language to prove their po (ritual, homosexuality)

[Tony]

Originally Posted by c0da2006

What scientific language are you talking about? Maybe you could quote some credible religious figures...

Holy books were written a few thousands years ago with terminology from then modern science.
In our days modern religious “scientists” use modern scientific terminology to confuse modern people because they won’t believe the old scientific terminology.
So, any time you see modern scientific terminology in article written by religious “scientists” – beware!
It’s all tricks and logical traps.
In order to see HOW they trick people – people have to study logic and science.
Because religious “scientists” do study it to trick people better.

[nutshell]

Originally Posted by Tony

Holy books were written a few thousands years ago with terminology from then modern science.
In our days modern religious “scientists” use modern scientific terminology to confuse modern people because they won’t believe the old scientific terminology.
So, any time you see modern scientific terminology in article written by religious “scientists” – beware!
It’s all tricks and logical traps.
In order to see HOW they trick people – people have to study logic and science.
Because religious “scientists” do study it to trick people better.

Can you give a specific example?

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Tony

Holy books were written a few thousands years ago with terminology from then modern science.

Your title claims that you can find it everywhere on any religious site. Try this one:

http://info.bahai.org/article-1-3-2-18.html


Oh, btw, my holy books were written in the last half of the 19th century.

Methinks you should get out more?

btw, I'm no fonder of the folks you're railing against than you are.

[Tony]

Originally Posted by FeathersinHair

I'm sorry, but your continued antagonistic approach to theism is still not helping your 'cause'. You also don't seem to take into account those religions that embrace science, nor does your labelling of us 'slaves' include those religions that do not believe themselves to be the only path to god. (If there is a path to Diety.)

I will be creating a thread based on my confusion over your approach to these things. Please do me the honor of attending it.

There are no religions to embrace science. For all religions science is a mortal enemy because science studies and explains nature using non-religious approach.
There is no place for religion in science.

I don’t mean to offend people by calling them “slaves”.

Unfortunately, religious people put themselves in this “slave-like” situation.

As soon as somebody believes that there is anything supernatural above them and they call it “Lord” or “higher power” or “intelligent designer” – they automatically become their psychological “slaves”. If something is above you – you are automatically below it. You are not equal to it.

If people give money to religious organizations – they become their financial “slaves”.

Thanks for the invitation!

[kevmicsmi]

2. People become more educated. Simple religious slogans are not convincing enough for them anymore.
3. Advance of democracy. People don’t want to be slaves anymore – not for kings, not for gods.

Maybe its because Im an uneducatumed relijous zellott, but I didnt think democracy and slavery are mutually exclusive terms. Perhaps you meant freedom and liberty instead of democracy? Oh well, I have to go anyway.....my church is holding a special on how god holds the sun up with a yo-yo string.

[nutshell]

Originally Posted by Tony

There are no religions to embrace science. For all religions science is a mortal enemy because science studies and explains nature using non-religious approach.
There is no place for religion in science.

I don’t mean to offend people by calling them “slaves”.

Unfortunately, religious people put themselves in this “slave-like” situation.

As soon as somebody believes that there is anything supernatural above them and they call it “Lord” or “higher power” or “intelligent designer” – they automatically become their psychological “slaves”. If something is above you – you are automatically below it. You are not equal to it.

If people give money to religious organizations – they become their financial “slaves”.

Thanks for the invitation!

You have yet to offer a specific example of what you're talking about. That tells me your argument is unsupported and, perhaps, not worth listening to.

You seem to take an either/or approach to science and religion. There is no reason why both cannot coexist. Science does not harm my religion in any way. We embrace science fully. We have one of the best universities in the country, have invented many every-day things, and believe that "the glory of God is intelligence."

So, please give a specific example, if you can.

[Green Gaia]

Originally Posted by Tony

There are no religions to embrace science. For all religions science is a mortal enemy because science studies and explains nature using non-religious approach.

No, that's not true. I already gave you the example of my religion and how we welcome scienctific discoveries. Stop generalizing.

If people give money to religious organizations – they become their financial “slaves”.

I give money to my church to help keep the lights on, the keep grass cut and to fund programs for the kids, etc.,. It is my choice to do this, no forces me; I am no one's slave.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Tony

There are no religions to embrace science. For all religions science is a mortal enemy because science studies and explains nature using non-religious approach.
There is no place for religion in science.

It seems to me that you're mixing scientific materialism with philosophical materialism, Tony. The methods of science may be materialistic, but in themselves, they do not logically require metaphysical materialism. Or, are you privy to some proof that Ultimate Reality is solely material of which I am not aware? If so, please share it.

[Victor]

You barked up the wrong tree Tony...good luck.