God is Nature (hell, God, verse, religions, science)

[kangaroo303]

I fully agree with Baruch Spinoza, when I say, God IS Nature. Here is a listing of the evidence, and the bold shows what is said in easier terms.


God and Nature are the same thing. They are the single substance that began the universe,(God did not create Nature, but Nature is the scientific word for god.) and all other figures are just modifications to this guide.(Religions that have different gods are just talking about different, untruthful aspects of the one god.) Substance exists and cannot be dependent on anything else for its existence.(Because God/Nature was here before anything, it obviously cannot depend on anything) No two substances can share an attribute because if they were to share attributes, they would be identical,(God is all powerful, if another being shared this attribute, there would be two Gods, which is not possible if you read ahead.) and their modifications would depend on their identities,(The things that people believe are different depend on prior expiriences with god, or, his identity with the people.) and this would make the substance reliant upon its modification, in violation of the first premise.(God, would then become dependant on the way people see him,which is impossible, as previously stated.) A substance can only be caused by something similar to itself, but because substance can only be caused by something similar to itself, it would share two of the same attributes, and because no two substances can share an attribute, substances cannot be caused.(You cannot create God or Nature, because all things that are created are created by something with at least one identical attributes, because God or Nature cannot have identical attributes with another being, God or Nature cannot be created.) Substance is infinite. If substance were not infinite, it would be finite and limited by something.(Everything that ends, ends for a reason, let it be electromagnetic, air, heat, etc.) To be limited is also to be dependant upon something, however substance cannot be dependant upon anything, therefore, substance is infinite. The conclusion to this is that there can only be one substance. If there were two, infinite substances, they would limit each other, they would act as restraints, and depend on each other.(But they cannot depend on each other. It goes against the first statement) Therefore, Nature and God are one, and the same, substance. God is Nature.(When it comes down to it, there is no such thing as Nature or Science, they are just explaining God.)

[Feathers in Hair]

Hello and welcome to the forums, Kangaroo. Please feel free to introduce yourself here, so that we can give you a proper welcome!

I guess what you say is not exactly what I believe. I think that gods are created, and that they're created by believers. But I'll leave that to the experts to debate, as I'm sure they will.

[Seyorni]

Welcome. kangaroo.
I agree. I see Nature as non-personified God.
People seem to have a hard time revering something too abstract, so they impute a personality to Nature, give It likes, dislikes and desires, render It a personage, and label It God.

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Welcome. kangaroo.
I agree. I see Nature as non-personified God.
People seem to have a hard time revering something too abstract, so they impute a personality to Nature, give It likes, dislikes and desires, render It a personage, and label It God.

True, Sey. It's human nature to think of things as having character, personalities. It seems to help us predict the behavior of those things. e.g. "Old Man Weather". As social primates, this ability might have got its start because it was advantageous to be able to predict the behavior of our fellows. But we extend it to all things in nature, including nature in the aggregate. When we look at nature, we see it through primate eyes, and because we see it through primate eyes, we imagine a personality is looking back at us as we watch: God.

BTW, Kangaroo: Welcome to the Forum!

So, Kangaroo, do you think Spinoza's argument can be taken as an argument for the existence of deity?

[ladylazarus]

We already have a perfectly good word for nature (hint: it starts with 'n' and ends with 'e'). Why should we start calling it God?