Jesus walked on ice? (ritual, gospel, followers, disciples, spiritual)

[drekmed]

if i remember currectly, in the bible, doesn't it say there was a storm going on? rough seas could account for them not noticing the ice. it might have been easier to see the ice next to the shore. if they went out on the lake before there was any freezing going on, then they might not have seen it happen or noticed it happening. wasn't the walking on water at night too? that would have made it even more difficult to see the ice.
as far as peter walking on the water too, if he were to get out of the boat on a relatively thin piece of ice, or a piece that couldn't support his weight for long, he might appear to actually be standing on the water, but when the ice gave out, he would sink. peter might simply have slipped, because ice is a little slick. jesus could have been on more stable ice, and lifted him up onto it.
i know for a fact that you can walk on ice that is merely an inch thick, it can't support very much wieght, but you can walk on it.
has anyone ever seen a lake that was in the process of freezing? water in one place can be frozen, while, water in another part of the lake might not be frozen yet. i think that usually the deeper the water, the longer it takes to freeze, i might be wrong though, i haven't paid that much attention to the actual process before.

i would love to be able to put a time lapsed video of a lake freezing on here, but cant find one on short notice. so, if anyone knows a link to one, please post it.

Drekmed

[SoyLeche]

Originally Posted by drekmed

if i remember currectly, in the bible, doesn't it say there was a storm going on? rough seas could account for them not noticing the ice. it might have been easier to see the ice next to the shore. if they went out on the lake before there was any freezing going on, then they might not have seen it happen or noticed it happening. wasn't the walking on water at night too? that would have made it even more difficult to see the ice.
as far as peter walking on the water too, if he were to get out of the boat on a relatively thin piece of ice, or a piece that couldn't support his weight for long, he might appear to actually be standing on the water, but when the ice gave out, he would sink. peter might simply have slipped, because ice is a little slick. jesus could have been on more stable ice, and lifted him up onto it.
i know for a fact that you can walk on ice that is merely an inch thick, it can't support very much wieght, but you can walk on it.
has anyone ever seen a lake that was in the process of freezing? water in one place can be frozen, while, water in another part of the lake might not be frozen yet. i think that usually the deeper the water, the longer it takes to freeze, i might be wrong though, i haven't paid that much attention to the actual process before.

i would love to be able to put a time lapsed video of a lake freezing on here, but cant find one on short notice. so, if anyone knows a link to one, please post it.

Drekmed

Even if it were possible you've still got to explain why this extrememly rare event happened at the exact time and place that Jesus needed in order to get out to the boat that his apostles were on. Either this was a miracle, which doesn't require any ice in order to work - miracles don't need to be explained -- or it was the greatest coincidence in the history of the world. (I guess it could, conceivably, just be a myth too)

[kevmicsmi]

if i remember currectly, in the bible, doesn't it say there was a storm going on? rough seas could account for them not noticing the ice. it might have been easier to see the ice next to the shore. if they went out on the lake before there was any freezing going on, then they might not have seen it happen or noticed it happening. wasn't the walking on water at night too? that would have made it even more difficult to see the ice.
as far as peter walking on the water too, if he were to get out of the boat on a relatively thin piece of ice, or a piece that couldn't support his weight for long, he might appear to actually be standing on the water, but when the ice gave out, he would sink. peter might simply have slipped, because ice is a little slick. jesus could have been on more stable ice, and lifted him up onto it.
i know for a fact that you can walk on ice that is merely an inch thick, it can't support very much wieght, but you can walk on it.

The series of events leading up to this seem more miraculous than Jesus walking on water.

[Todd]

Here is a passage from the bible that describes this.

John 6:16When evening came, his disciples went down to the lake, 17where they got into a boat and set off across the lake for Capernaum. By now it was dark, and Jesus had not yet joined them. 18A strong wind was blowing and the waters grew rough. 19When they had rowed three or three and a half miles,[b] they saw Jesus approaching the boat, walking on the water; and they were terrified. 20But he said to them, "It is I; don't be afraid."

First of all, it explains that they rowed three or three and a half miles away from shore. A floating peice of ice could not have propelled Jesus that distance in one night. Also, it explains that the winds were blowing and the waters were rough. That means that there probably couldn't have been a 3 and a half mile peice of ice for Jesus to walk out on that distance. It would only allow for ice chunks, if indeed ice was in the sea.

[Seyorni]

Perhaps Jesus should be credited with inventing wind surfing -- with small ice floes.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Perhaps Jesus should be credited with inventing wind surfing -- with small ice floes.

There was directional wind that day too?

[Todd]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Perhaps Jesus should be credited with inventing wind surfing -- with small ice floes.

Funny.

Well, he did climb a mountain before the apostles set sail. Maybe he hang glided off the mountain and landed on an ice cube in the sea near the apostles . He had ice shoes on so he could stop without falling off the ice cube. Ummmm. On second thought, I don't think so.

[Ori]

Originally Posted by Todd

Funny.

Well, he did climb a mountain before the apostles set sail. Maybe he hang glided off the mountain and landed on an ice cube in the sea near the apostles . He had ice shoes on so he could stop without falling off the ice cube. Ummmm. On second thought, I don't think so.

Just imagine that truly atrocious moment from "Die another day" and replace Bond with Jesus.

[schligg]

even though it's neat to speculate what weather conditions and science can figure out, i think the real question here is if you think that the "walking on water" is metaphoric, or if any portion of the bible is for that matter. if you believe that any portion of the bible is metaphoric then you have to believe that all of it is. you can't have your cake and eat it too. Same thing goes for taking it literally, it's either all or none.