Why cant God exist (Jesus, Kingdom, theist, eternity, verse)

[Apex]

I have met and heard a lot of people claim that God does not exist. Usually when asked why they belive this the answer usually is around the lines of "We cant see God so he doesnt exist" or "science proves there is no God". I would like to know how can we conclude that there is no God or simply no higher intelligence then us given this one fact of life,

We cant explain the universe.

The two theorys we have to explain the universe and basically how everything works are Quantum Mechanics and Realativity. But these two theorys have a problem, they contradict eachother. There are efforts to combine these two theorys such as String theory, Super string, quantum gravity, loop quantum gravity and other theorys being pursued by individuals. We also have other questions dealing with the big bang, what existed before the big bang besides a small infinly massive mass? If the mass has existed for supposedly eternity why didnt the big bang happen erlier, or did it even exist for eternity, what set it off? If we cant explain how our uviverse works how can we determine if there is a higher inteligence?

[standing_alone]

Well, scientifically it can't be proven that God or a higher power exists because science only deals with natural evidence and explainations. Gods or higher powers are supernatural. So science isn't going to assume a god or higher power exists - goes against making a conservative hypothesis, that is, using established scientific findings, not ignoring them to make a hypothesis. So, don't expect science to explore the idea of a devine power anytime soon - nor should they. In my opinion, one can't prove god doesn't exist, but you can prove it rather unlikely.

[michel]

Originally Posted by standing_alone

Well, scientifically it can't be proven that God or a higher power exists because science only deals with natural evidence and explainations. Gods or higher powers are supernatural. So science isn't going to assume a god or higher power exists - goes against making a conservative hypothesis, that is, using established scientific findings, not ignoring them to make a hypothesis. So, don't expect science to explore the idea of a devine power anytime soon - nor should they. In my opinion, one can't prove god doesn't exist, but you can prove it rather unlikely.

Good point standing_alone; fruballs to you.

Apex, there's nothing more likely to get up a scientist's nose than the theist's plea of God must have started it, because there is no other answer which makes sense.

Belief in God is fine, but accept the fact that just because science can't prove what happens means you can 'plug the gap' with God.

[Jayhawker Soule]

There is a metaphysical menagerie full of fantasies and absurdities that science cannot disprove. Feel free to pick which ever one best suits you - you'll have my full support. Just don't pretend that your fantasy (1) explains anything whatsoever, or (2) is in anyway superior to the fantasy chosen by your neighbor. The Kingdom of God has no more ontological substance that does the Faerie Kingdom, and its God no more explanitory power than a couple of Pixies causing mischief.

[michel]

Originally Posted by Deut. 10:19

There is a metaphysical menagerie full of fantasies and absurdities that science cannot disprove. Feel free to pick which ever one best suits you - you'll have my full support. Just don't pretend that your fantasy (1) explains anything whatsoever, or (2) is in anyway superior to the fantasy chosen by your neighbor. The Kingdom of God has no more ontological substance that does the Faerie Kingdom, and its God no more explanitory power than a couple of Pixies causing mischief.

If you are talking about the God of the old testament, I'll stick to the pixies causing mischief; if it is about the God Jesus describes, I'll stick with him.

[ladylazarus]

We cant explain the universe.

Knowledge is not a continuum with two ends.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by Deut. 10:19

There is a metaphysical menagerie full of fantasies and absurdities that science cannot disprove. Feel free to pick which ever one best suits you - you'll have my full support. Just don't pretend that your fantasy (1) explains anything whatsoever, or (2) is in anyway superior to the fantasy chosen by your neighbor. The Kingdom of God has no more ontological substance that does the Faerie Kingdom, and its God no more explanitory power than a couple of Pixies causing mischief.

what about underpants gnomes?

[Halcyon]

No matter what people tell you Apex, the truth is that science actually has no opinion on God Itself.

It has opinions on the myths commonly associated with God, such as the Creation, but there is no literature that confirms nor denys the existance of a metaphysical deity.

Science is concerned with what can be observed and tested, within the physical and mathematical laws which bind this universe. God, by Its very nature, is not of these laws and as such is outside the scope of scientific investigation.

God has never been, and will never be disproved by science. Only the associated mythologies have been.

[Apex]

Originally Posted by michel

Good point standing_alone; fruballs to you.

Apex, there's nothing more likely to get up a scientist's nose than the theist's plea of God must have started it, because there is no other answer which makes sense.

Belief in God is fine, but accept the fact that just because science can't prove what happens means you can 'plug the gap' with God.

I dont belive that God can plug any gap we come up with. Basically I dont belive in a "God of the gaps". I was just stating that I cant see how those who say "God can not exist" can belive such. A lot of this comes down to eveolution, creation and ID. People saying creation is false and evolution is true so God does not exist (even though the two theorys have nothing to do with each other). A very interesting issue as to wether there is a higher power or not or simply just knowing about the unkown is if we will ever figure out the physics of before the big bang.