God is not in the Big Bang (creation, myth, eternal)

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

You can not create something from nothing and this has led to the religious theroy that the Big Bang must have been intitiated by God for something (the universe) was created from nothing (the state of matter/energy previous to the Big Bang) If a cause, other than God, was found that explained the Big Bang, then it would not be neccessary for God to exist.

Well, folks, we have proof in mathematical theroy that we know what was present previous to the Big Bang. Basically, it goes like this -

• the universe we live in is not seem as particles but as strings
• strings exist in 22 or 21 dimensions and fewer
• strings are the component of membranes (shortened to "branes")
• membranes encompass both 21 and 22 dimensions
• M Theroy (membranes) have an infinite number of branes comprised of an infinite number of strings
• when interaction is weak the string looks like a string
• when the interaction is strong the strings "unwrap" into a membrane
• membranes ripple (a wave motion) and the collision of two membranes created the Big Bang producing the pecularities of our universe by the circumstances of the ripples
• an infinate number of collisions have taken place producing an infinite number of universes
• each universe created by a collision is considered an alternate universe to ours
• the science fiction "parallel" universe is confirmed by the M Therory.
• the laws of physics may be different in each universe.

Not only does the creation story not reflect the actual galaxy we live in, it does not reflect the universe we live in except from an extrapolation from a melding of science and a mythological creation story. If the concept of God is to be kept, then it will be imposible to prove that there are not an infinite number of gods. Rather, it seems more and more likely that God will take a "back seat" to science and beneficial only for a mythological basis for human existence and conduct.

-pah-

[Paraprakrti]

Originally Posted by pah

You can not create something from nothing and this has led to the religious theroy that the Big Bang must have been intitiated by God for something (the universe) was created from nothing (the state of matter/energy previous to the Big Bang) If a cause, other than God, was found that explained the Big Bang, then it would not be neccessary for God to exist.

Only if such a cause contained all the qualities of the concept known as "God" will it be necessary for "God" not to exist. But then, if such qualities are existing in this cause it would, by definition, be "God". The concept of God, more specifically, the supreme 'something' from which all things emanate, is an inescapable conclusion. You will find it one one form or another.

Originally Posted by pah

Well, folks, we have proof in mathematical theroy that we know what was present previous to the Big Bang. Basically, it goes like this -

• the universe we live in is not seem as particles but as strings
• strings exist in 22 or 21 dimensions and fewer
• strings are the component of membranes (shortened to "branes")
• membranes encompass both 21 and 22 dimensions
• M Theroy (membranes) have an infinite number of branes comprised of an infinite number of strings
• when interaction is weak the string looks like a string
• when the interaction is strong the strings "unwrap" into a membrane
• membranes ripple (a wave motion) and the collision of two membranes created the Big Bang producing the pecularities of our universe by the circumstances of the ripples
• an infinate number of collisions have taken place producing an infinite number of universes
• each universe created by a collision is considered an alternate universe to ours
• the science fiction "parallel" universe is confirmed by the M Therory.
• the laws of physics may be different in each universe.

Not only does the creation story not reflect the actual galaxy we live in, it does not reflect the universe we live in except from an extrapolation from a melding of science and a mythological creation story. If the concept of God is to be kept, then it will be imposible to prove that there are not an infinite number of gods. Rather, it seems more and more likely that God will take a "back seat" to science and beneficial only for a mythological basis for human existence and conduct.

-pah-

God is simultaneously One and many. He is One God and infinite God. Just because He is one doesn't mean that He is limited, and just because He is many doesn't mean He is divided. God has already taken a "back seat" to modern science. But God is not so concerned with "modern" things. God is eternal. So these modern scientists must place God in the back seat because they have no way of studying such a grand concept.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by pah

Well, folks, we have proof in mathematical theroy that that we know what was present previous to the Big Bang.

Really? Is it a mathematical theory or a mathematical proof - or don't you know?

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

Really? Is it a mathematical theory or a mathematical proof - or don't you know?

You know, I have probably spoken in error. Let me say that the theory is peer reviewed and ties together several other theories also accepted by cosmologists

-pah-

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's an exciting theory.

[(Q)]

I think string theory/M-theory will amount to very little. For example, it appears to contain a theory of gravity, yet is not a consistent quantum theory of gravity. The divergent series is speculated to be finite unlike the quantization of General Reltivity. Other than predicting the magnitude of the cosmological constant should be larger, no other useful predictions have been made. Experimentation is literally out of the question even if string theorists could conduct such an experiment, they could only speculate at best what it is they are observing. Claims of replacing the Standard Model remain unfounded as no experimental evidence or mathematical proof has been forthcoming.

These theories are probably just a fad, soon to be shelved.

[Zero Faith]

These theories are probably just a fad, soon to be shelved.

Mmm, I disagree with you there. String theory has been around for awhile; it's a robust theory that continues to advance and consolidate previously unconnected ideas. I think it's on the right track but, like Bohr's atom, will see some intense revision in the near future.

[painted wolf]

I once heard a theory likening the multiverce concept to soap bubbles....
Has anyone elce heard of this one?
This subject isn't my strongsuit but I find it very interesting.

wa:do

[Paw]

I can honestly say I barely understood anything about strings. I just have one, annoying point:

membranes ripple (a wave motion) and the collision of two membranes created the Big Bang producing the pecularities of our universe by the circumstances of the ripples

Where did the membranes come from? How did 'something' come out of 'nothing'?
Another thing: what are the membranes?

And I don't understand dimensions either. I've heard of 3 dimensions and maybe even 4, but 22?!

[Halcyon]

Cosmology isn't my forte, it takes me hours of concentration for it to even start to slot into place, but i do find it interesting.
Do you know if M-theory has managed to find a solution to the contradictory elements of the Theory of Relativity and Quantum Mechanics yet?

Originally Posted by RearingArabian

I can honestly say I barely understood anything about strings. I just have one, annoying point:

Where did the membranes come from? How did 'something' come out of 'nothing'?
Another thing: what are the membranes?

And I don't understand dimensions either. I've heard of 3 dimensions and maybe even 4, but 22?!

You beat me to it RA! M-theory doesn't prove the non-existance of God, nor the creation of the universe by divine means, it just pushes the creation one step back. Something made those strings and membranes, or did they just appear from nowhere?