God is not in the Big Bang (creation, myth, eternal)

[Kowalski]

Quatum soup, Equations suggest that in a vacuum, virtual particles can flit in and out of virtual existence, eventually building a super dense mass of Photons, which rreasons not fully understood, suddenly and massively expanded outwards in what really should be called the Big Flash, as no bang was possible in a vacuum. This singularity of the first time, is thought to been about three times the size of our sun, from this, everything you know arose and time began.

K

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by Kowalski

Quatum soup, Equations suggest that in a vacuum, virtual particles can flit in and out of virtual existence, eventually building a super dense mass of Photons, which rreasons not fully understood, suddenly and massively expanded outwards in what really should be called the Big Flash, as no bang was possible in a vacuum. This singularity of the first time, is thought to been about three times the size of our sun, from this, everything you know arose and time began.

K

So... where did this concept of virtual existance come from then? Why do photons exist at all, why are they in the form that they are? Why does any form of reality exist?

[Kowalski]

Nobody knows the whys, not even Hawking or Einstein. What appears to have happened is that a frenzied mass of radiation, matter and anti-matter was expanding and cooling, most of the matter was anihilated by the anti-matter, but enough matter remained to cause the big flash as matter formed atoms of hydrogen and helium .

You might consider what came before the Singularity as something out of Nothing, and is in many ways, still a mystery.

K

[almifkhar]

an astronomer named james joyce has said that the universe seems to have been desgined by a pure mathematician and begins to look more and more lke a great thought rather than a great machine.

an astrophysicists named robert jastrow said for the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. he has scaled the mountians of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.

another astrophysicits named paul davies wrote a book called the mind of god. it really was an intresting read.

pah you have to consider that the creator has to be greater than his/her creation, not to mention all religions that have a belief in a supreme god have a big bang story of creation. they are not written down in a scientific way but in a philosophical way. in the occult teachings of the kabbalah it speaks of positive and negitive forces causing not only the big bang, but every thing in existance. for example a baby cannot be concieved with out a sperm (positive) and an egg (negitive)

[Fatmop]

an astronomer named james joyce has said that the universe seems to have been desgined by a pure mathematician and begins to look more and more lke a great thought rather than a great machine.

an astrophysicists named robert jastrow said for the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. he has scaled the mountians of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.

another astrophysicits named paul davies wrote a book called the mind of god. it really was an intresting read.

Those are just about the exact quotes I heard in a creationist lecture yesterday. Only there were more of them. The idea is that somehow, the universe and all its pretty little parts are juuust right to support human life here on Earth. What you fail to mention is that the Earth is going to be swallowed up by the sun in about 5 or 6 billion years, meaning pretty much all life (except for us Houstonians) is going to be burnt to death. You also seem to be focusing on our particular part of the universe as the sole purpose of all those quirky little equations, not realizing that we are an infinitesimal part of a universe so vast it boggles the mind. None of these equations, IMO, have any purpose outside of the mind. The universe does not 'exist for us' - we happen to exist in our current state because a particular part of the universe that was not being swallowed by a black hole or being bombarded with too much radiation exists.

[jamaesi]

This is sort of... offtopic, but I have a friend who thinks that the Big Bang was G-d exploding and that we´re all G-d Guts.

: )

[Scuba Pete]

Science could never prove the existence or non-existence of God. It's a fool's errand to even try and you have to ponder the motives and ethics of a scientist ensconced in this endeavor. To that end, the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has a much more probative argument to disprove God.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Kowalski

Equations suggest that in a vacuum, virtual particles can flit in and out of virtual existence, eventually building a super dense mass of Photons, ...

That is extremely exciting! I know of no equations that "suggest" [sic] virtual particles "eventually building a super dense mass of Photons". Would you please cite your source?

[Kowalski]

Originally Posted by Deut. 10:19

That is extremely exciting! I know of no equations that "suggest" [sic] virtual particles "eventually building a super dense mass of Photons". Would you please cite your source?

Yeah dude, just as soon as i have time to find my references.

K

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Kowalski

Yeah dude, just as soon as i have time to find my references.

Right, dude.