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Old 08-14-2004, 11:31 AM
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just think now, the universe had to have come, have started, from something. and the scientific theory, that the big bang, etc, started it, seems a bit untrue to me.

everything had to start from something or someone. now while it is hard to conceive and concede that god was there first, how can you say that something was made out of nothing?

my theory, which i know is incorrect, says that the angels, with some help from god, were responsible for the specific creation of specific things (e.g. planets, stars, etc.)

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Old 08-14-2004, 12:22 PM
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You make the uniformed assumption that something cannot come from nothing. There is your flaw.
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Old 08-14-2004, 01:14 PM
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Please show us how something can be made from nothing.
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Old 08-14-2004, 01:19 PM
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everything had to start from something or someone. now while it is hard to conceive and concede that god was there first, how can you say that something was made out of nothing?
No one is saying the something came from nothing. Rather, many believe that the 'something' has simply just always been.

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my theory, which i know is incorrect, says that the angels, with some help from god, were responsible for the specific creation of specific things (e.g. planets, stars, etc.)
Why do you hang onto a theory that you kow to be incorrect? What inspired you to make up this theory in the first place?
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Please show us how something can be made from nothing.
Quantum mechanics predicted, and susequently confirmed, vacuum fluctuations on the quantum scale.
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just think now, the universe had to have come, have started, from something. and the scientific theory, that the big bang, etc, started it, seems a bit untrue to me.
Tens of thousands of astrophysicists and quantum physicists, hundreds of thousands of hours of advanced research, reams of peer-reviewed journal contributions - all cohearing into a scholarly consensus which "seems a bit untrue" to you! And your credentials would be what, exactly?
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Please show us how something can be made from nothing.

When particle operator values do not correspond to scalar field values of the Hamiltonian (total observed energy in a system), we are observing virtual particles borrowing energy and popping in and out of existence.
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"everything had to start from something or someone. now while it is hard to conceive and concede that god was there first, how can you say that something was made out of nothing?"

If your statement is true then god himself would have to have a creator, and his creator a creator, and so on and so on....
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A particle is part of something. A particle is made up of something.

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