from nothing to something (Darwin, virtual, creation, God, verse)

[flamethrower]

Time

Time exists as a mathematical quantity (same as space). Time is not a physical quantity in terms that anything depends on it. Nothing in our physical universe depends on time as well as on space (location), as well as on velocity, and on some other "purely mathematical" so to speak quantities.

This "physical non-existence" of such mathematical quantities is called "shift symmetry (of time, of space, of velocity, of phase, etc)" and is expressed by a simple equation:

F (t)=F (t+t1).

It means, that nothing changes if you shift in time (or in space, or in velocity) any physical process - no observable difference whatsoever.

We call this symmetry term the "energy conservation law,” and "momentum conservation law" for space non-existence (shift symmetry), and "special relativity" for velocity non-existence (shift symmetry), “charge conservation” for phase non-existence, etc.)

Because nothing depends on time, there is no absolute time. No time stones, no other marks indicating time. The only way of "measuring" this mathematical quantity is to take any periodic process say, a pendulum, or a string, or a light bouncing between mirrors, or an electron oscillating in an atom, etc - then call the device a "clock device" or simply "clock”, then take TWO measurements of numbers of oscillations say, at two different locations, or at 2 different gravity environments, or at 2 different states of motion, etc., then take a RATIO of these two numbers (can't be one number because time is not absolute) and then label this ratio as "relative rate of one time versus another" or "rate of time versus reference clock rate", or "time in conventional units of time" or "accurate time" or simply "time".

Time used to be defined via pendulum, then via quarts crystal oscillations, then via Cs electron oscillation, and soon via H electron oscillation.

This is how time is measured, and in that essence, how time is therefore defined and understood.

[Hope]

Wow, this is some debate here....starting to feel a little dizzy.....

I think there should simply come a point where we simply agree to disagree, because the argument seems to be going in circles. However, that said, I do have to side with Paraprakrti, whose arguments make the most sense to me, and who has so eloquently put into words what I could not. I am at a loss when it comes to physics, but here's how I see things. Many have asked, well, if 'God' is that something that created something else (the universe), then what created God? This is a good question. As someone who believes in God, I still cannot let my bias make me ignore the validity of such a question. But, let's look at our two choices here. At least, I see it as two choices. Whether you believe in a God or not, it seems to me that one has to face the fact that 'something'--whether you define it as nothingness or not, that is another whole topic--has to have existed eternally. I personally do not see a way around that. 'Something' stretches in infinity. We could say, ok, let's suppose there is a God; now let's suppose something or someone created God; ok, then let's suppose something else created that something---if we follow that thinking then we will indeed be going on forever. So either we think, ok, the universe created itself from 'nothing', and this 'nothing' has existed eternally, or we think, maybe 'someone' created the universe, and this 'someone' has existed eternally. To me it's that simple. And I choose to believe that a 'Someone' created the universe and exists eternally. I choose to believe in this 'Someone', rather than 'nothing', because when I look at the universe, our world, and myself, I see evidence of an amazing intelligence, not just a random accident coming from a 'nothing' that has existed eternally.

Anyway, that's all I want to say. That is my opinion on the matter, for whatever it's worth.