Why the divide between Science and Religion... (priest, ritual, moral) - Page 2

Jayhawker Soule · #11 08-25-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by michel

I only know of one or two extremists Deut - I would define an extremist as one who has tunnel vision and refuses to accept that there is any validity in the belief that is contrary to his/hers.

There is no validity to the belief that creationism should be taught in the classroom.

michel · #12 08-25-2005, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

There is no validity to the belief that creationism should be taught in the classroom.

I agree with that statement, but what has it to do with the price of apples ?

Ryan2065 · #13 08-25-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by michel

I would define an extremist as one who has tunnel vision and refuses to accept that there is any validity in the belief that is contrary to his/hers.

And you say that some scientists have tunnel vision and accept no theory other than their own? Just because they don't accept YOUR idea does not make them an extremist. As far as science goes if you can prove your view then your view is accepted. There is no "proof" for any religion in the world other than second hand sources.

Michel, do you believe that there is no god? I am assuming you will immediatly dismiss the idea that there is no god and continue to believe that there is a god without doing any more research. How is this any different then scientists who ask for proof that there is a god and are not sastisfied with the answer, so they just dismiss it?

michel · #14 08-25-2005, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan2065

And you say that some scientists have tunnel vision and accept no theory other than their own? Just because they don't accept YOUR idea does not make them an extremist. As far as science goes if you can prove your view then your view is accepted. There is no "proof" for any religion in the world other than second hand sources.

Michel, do you believe that there is no god? I am assuming you will immediatly dismiss the idea that there is no god and continue to believe that there is a god without doing any more research. How is this any different then scientists who ask for proof that there is a god and are not sastisfied with the answer, so they just dismiss it?

Even after reading that twice, I am still not sure I get the point you make. One thing though, I would like to define my interpretation of 'Extremist', because we may be talking at cross purposes. I refer to an Extremist as one with very polarised views.

I say that there are highly 'Polarised' theologians and Scientists - I am not merely 'picking on' the scientist. You say ......... "and continue to believe that there is a god without doing any more research."...... What research do you expect me to do? - I have looked in my heart, and at nature, and I can feel God - if not see him. I don't need proof, I have faith....and that is where lies the big divide; the scientist can't be satisfied with 'faith' - and I understand that. He would be an extremely poor scientist if he was.

I am criticising no one; I am right (in my mind); the scientist who does not believe in God, because he needs 'Proof' is right (for him). That is why there is the big 'divide' - because the extremist theologians will keep trying to 'convert' the scientist, while the most 'earthy' (If you pardon the expression - one who has his two feet firmly on the ground) scientist will keep saying to the teologian "Prove it!".

There will always be a divide.

Ryan2065 · #15 08-25-2005, 11:36 AM

I still don't understand your idea of an extremist scientist. Can you give me an example of one?

Jayhawker Soule · #16 08-25-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryan2065

I still don't understand your idea of an extremist scientist. Can you give me an example of one?

I asked the same thing in post #9. He might answer someday ...

CaptainXeroid · #17 08-25-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by michel

...I would define an extremist as one who has tunnel vision and refuses to accept that there is any validity in the belief that is contrary to his/hers...I say that there are highly 'Polarised' theologians and Scientists - I am not merely 'picking on' the scientist...

Sorry for the snip between 2 posts, but they are well stated and I concur. A good way to identify the narrow-minded extremists on both sides is by their assertion that they are being 'picked on'.

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Originally Posted by michel

...There will always be a divide.

Sadly, this does seem to be true.

Terrywoodenpic · #18 08-25-2005, 02:48 PM

There is no real divide caused by science. Science has reported on its findings and therories.
Some religions have chosen to not believe them.
The truth science reveals is not at issue. It is the lack of ability of some faith systems to adjust to new realities where the problem lays.

Terry
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