Why the divide between Science and Religion... (priest, ritual, moral)

[Cynic]

Originally Posted by AV1611

Do you remember making this statement? And yet you're not an authority? So do you mind if some of us who have studied the Bible in its entirety and say that those statements were made out of LOVE and not BRIBERY get at least a little credit for knowing something?

If Cedar Point Amusement Park was handing out free tickets to anyone who would just come up and take one, would you be at the entrance shouting, "Bribery!"?

I was a Christian for 9 years and I am quite familiar with the bible.

The motive of self interest does not logically justify a belief. I was not refering to why such statements are made, but the unreasonabileness of accepting it, given that your only motive is self interest.

[EnhancedSpirit]

*tip toes in room with collinder on head and wooden spoon in hand*

The bible was so hard for me to understand as a child, that it and the corruption I witnessed in "Churches" sent me to the 'atheist' chair for a few years.

Science showed me to look for patterns. When something is true there will be a consistant pattern. Throughout my life I have been exposed to many different people with many different religious beliefs. Being of 'no religion' I didn't focus on the differences, looking for fault in each religion, trying to validate one or the other. I, instead, saw amazing similarities. A pattern began to emerge. And where there is a consistant pattern, there is truth.

I, personally have decided that there is something bigger than us, that we cannot fully understand or explain with science, yet. I do not have faith in any one collection of scripture, but I study all of them, and I look for patterns.

*runs back out of room and peeks in window*

[michel]

Originally Posted by Cynic

And what makes you an authority to state that such versus are scientifical and coincide with science?

Jesus is before ALL things. Which word don't you understand? He was IN THE BEGINNING. Just like slientists say "in the beginning there was this 'thing', and it exploded".

Also this same Jesus upholds all of His creation by HIS power. In other words, He is taking credit for creating the strong and weak nuclear forces that keep atoms where they belong on the Periodic Table.

So,are you going to suspend judgement on THAT and hide behind a cloak of Agnosticism and admit you don't know if this is true (as Agnostics should)? Or are you going to just dismiss it outright as 'coinciding with science'?

[JerryL]

And which camp are you in? Because you seem to "know" a lot about what my Bible shouldn't say, while all the time hinding behind a label of neutrality.

Wouldn't you like to know?

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by AV1611

And as far as who wrote 2 Timothy and Matthew: Paul and Matthew.

Very unlikely, particularly if you've deluded yourself into believing that an apostle wrote gMat. You're really not very good at this stuff.

[JerryL]

trying to validate one or the other. I, instead, saw amazing similarities. A pattern began to emerge. And where there is a consistant pattern, there is truth.

Odd. I was sure I responded to this.

What truth does it point to? The truth about God or the truth about people... that people are substantially the same with the same problems and same questions and tendancy to find the same answers?

For example, there's a consensus among most ancient people that the Earth is flat. This talks about common assumptions more than whether the Earth really is flat.

[michel]

Originally Posted by Cynic

I was a Christian for 9 years and I am quite familiar with the bible.

The motive of self interest does not logically justify a belief. I was not refering to why such statements are made, but the unreasonabileness of accepting it, given that your only motive is self interest.

Well, I've read the Bible more times than you've been a Christian in years (11 vs. 9), and I can say, from authority, that God is dead-set against self-interest. Freud may have taught it, but you didn't get it from the Bible. When I go to Heaven, it's because I want to see my Saviour, Who loves me and gave Himself for me, not to walk on streets of gold - (although I look forward to that, too).

[Cynic]

Originally Posted by AV1611

Jesus is before ALL things. Which word don't you understand? He was IN THE BEGINNING. Just like slientists say "in the beginning there was this 'thing', and it exploded".

Also this same Jesus upholds all of His creation by HIS power. In other words, He is taking credit for creating the strong and weak nuclear forces that keep atoms where they belong on the Periodic Table.

So,are you going to suspend judgement on THAT and hide behind a cloak of Agnosticism and admit you don't know if this is true (as Agnostics should)? Or are you going to just dismiss it outright as 'coinciding with science'?

If I said that the verses you chose, coincided with science, it would be an insult to science.

I suppose that you believe that gravity is really God pushing us down?

[michel]

Originally Posted by JerryL

For example, there's a consensus among most ancient people that the Earth is flat. This talks about common assumptions more than whether the Earth really is flat.

Yea, now it's a "consensus among most ancient people". Why aren't you saying it this way:
"Most ancient people were taught by scientists, that the Earth is flat"?