Free Will and Physics (experience, bible, verse, Zen, witchcraft)

[YawgmothsAvatar]

I just found out about this interesting scientific bit of evidence against free will. Here we go.

If I were to have an atom in a vaccum that is frozen in time, and I could analyze every little bit of information about that atom, like its energy, direction, etc, I could find out where that atom would be in the next Plank time. I could then analyze what I've found from that hypothetical atom and do the same thing. I could continue to do this until the end of time.

Now suppose I predicted all the atoms in a molecule. I now know the future of the molecule.

Now I do it with a cell.

Now I do it with every atom in the universe. I can tell where every one will be, how they will interact, etc.

Then, if humans are all made of atoms that interact with each other, and thoughts are caused by chemicals that cause emotions and outside stimuli from other things and people, then can I not predict what that person will do next? Can't I continue to predict the actions of this person based on the chemicals in his/her brain and the surroundings of this person?

Obviously it is impossible to ever actually do this. But the principle is the same: from the atomic level up to human actions, the universe is on one track. Everything is already set in stone. What we think and do has been predestined since singularity. Since we can't really choose what we are going to do, we don't really have free will.

[Mr Spinkles]

I thought quantum events were random, and that it is impossible to predict them. This really has no bearing on free will...even if atoms are random, that still doesn't mean we have free will...but that would mean that everything is not predestined.

Am I wrong on this?

[Allan]

I do not think we have free will at the moment as you probably understand it, just as you said. We actually do not really experience who we are.

I had a supernatural experience that seperated me from the human realm of the mind.

All the mental things we experience are mostly planted in our subconscious and acted on or resisted.

The bible seems to say because of a rebellious nature which is as witchcraft
we actively supernaturally penetrate each others brain, therefore having control over each other and this causes conflict.

It takes sensitivity to see this working, without being weak. It is obvious.

Because of rebelliousness we are removed from God's sight.

Low level Witchcraft stops the perfect freedom of coming into the knowledge of God.

Free will to me is knowing this and choosing not to come into that knowledge.

God is just beyond our own sense of self belief and is a quiet observer therefore knowing each of us intimately by what we are not. (how we do not measure up-sin)

[Ceridwen018]

Everything could be predestined once the quantum event 'hit'....also, it is possible that quantum events are patterned.

[Mr Spinkles]

We need a physicist to enlighten us on quantum events...are they truly random?

[Ceridwen018]

We could have a religious moment and declare them so....isn't anders a physicist?

[Mr Spinkles]

No, he's a chemist.

[(Q)]

quantum events...are they truly random?

Yes, right down to radioactive decay.

[Mr Spinkles]

In that case, YawgmothsAvatar must be wrong about everything being predestined...there can be no predetermined outcome if quantum events are random. Still, this doesn't go against his argument on free will.

[(Q)]

Free will?

Experiments in high energy physics are meticulously calculated with every possible control deployed - yet the results are random.

If anything, it supports the argument.