What Came Before? (faith, verse, science)

[Khale]

What are the theories, widely accepted or otherwise, that explain what came before the beginning of the universe? Also, where can I find a good explanation on how the big bang occurred?

[jimbob]

I think that bluebirds with highly irregular amounts of testosterone came before the universe. And the big bang was the intestinal result of my uncle georges tuna casserole.

[Tawn]

If there even was a beginning - something I doubt - we can only make wild guesses.. none based on any amount of evidence - since there is none.
Since there is no evidence all hypothesis are essentially valueless as anything other than idle fancies.

[iaminterface]

meh, we're all just the imaginations of ourselves.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by iaminterface

meh, we're all just the imaginations of ourselves.

If we are imaginations, who's doing the imagining?

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Tawn

If there even was a beginning - something I doubt - we can only make wild guesses.. none based on any amount of evidence - since there is none. Since there is no evidence all hypothesis are essentially valueless as anything other than idle fancies.

What a remarkable disdain for cosmology, theoretical physics, and men like Hawking.

[Tawn]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

What a remarkable disdain for cosmology, theoretical physics, and men like Hawking.

he said BEFORE the beginning of the universe.. if there are theories based on some small amount of evidence regarding what happened before big bang or whatever, then please educate me..
still intending to read something by hawkins in the near future..

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Tawn

he said BEFORE the beginning of the universe.. if there are theories based on some small amount of evidence regarding what happened before big bang or whatever, ...

And you said:

If there even was a beginning - something I doubt - we can only make wild guesses.. none based on any amount of evidence - since there is none. Since there is no evidence all hypothesis are essentially valueless as anything other than idle fancies.

I can only assume that you are familiar enough with the relevant hypotheses to declare them "essentially valueless as anything other than idle fancies" , although it's unclear how you managed this without any familiarity with Hawking.

So, let me divulge the ugly truth about my faith position: science has earned my respect, and I will give it the benefit of the doubt. I don't insist that science is always right, but I will never, never presume it to be wrong, idle, or valuless solely on the basis of my ignorance.

[Magurk]

The beggining, well no one knows, and if someone is told that a single man "God" created it they will beleive it. What else can they beleive?

Relegious Poilotics 101

[Tawn]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

So, let me divulge the ugly truth about my faith position: science has earned my respect, and I will give it the benefit of the doubt. I don't insist that science is always right, but I will never, never presume it to be wrong, idle, or valuless solely on the basis of my ignorance.

I think what I originally said was badly worded. I shouldnt have been making a claim, but instead referring to theories without evidence.. as a kind of 'if' statement. Valueless is perhaps an inappropriate term...