Creation Stories (genesis, God, divine)

[linwood]

Oh, then I misunderstood you. I had just said
So when you said I took it to mean you disagreed that the BB was both a model and a fact.

AAAAAAAAAAAA!!
You`re killing me Spinkles...Killing me.

Perhaps you should ignore the "pretty heavy implications" and concentrate on what I've actually said.

I think you should pay attention to what YOU actually said.

You first said....
The BB is not "just a model" No*s....like evolution, it is also a fact.

I disagreed with this and still do, the Big Bang Model is not a fact.
It has not garnered enough evidence nor silenced it`s critics enough to be a FACT yet as evolution has done.

Then you said....
I think you might not be understanding what I am saying: I am not saying that the model of the big bang is a fact.

This I agreed with because it is my view as well considering the available evidence but I was a bit puzzled by the statement considering you had just previously said...

The BB is not "just a model" No*s....like evolution, it is also a fact.

Lets look closer and maybe we`ll discover the source of my confusion

I am not saying that the model of the big bang is a fact.
The BB is not "just a model" No*s....like evolution, it is also a fact.

I am not saying that the model of the big bang is a fact.
The BB is not "just a model" No*s....like evolution, it is also a fact.

I am not saying that the model of the big bang is a fact.
The BB is not "just a model" No*s....like evolution, it is also a fact.

Hmmmm..Nope.
Still confused.



You`re doing this on purpose aren`t ya Spinks?
Trying to drive me mad and then when I`ve fully curled up in a fetal position beneath my desk shivering and drooling too much to respond anymore you`ll say ..

"See, he knows I`m right he won`t even reply."

For example, I have said that I agree with you the infinite density of the early universe is not certain.

Yes you did say this.
BUT IT TOOK YOU 18 PAGES IN A THREAD 170 POSTS LONG TO SAY IT!!

OH..OH..My eye is twitching again.

[Mr Spinkles]

Originally Posted by linwood

Hmmmm..Nope.
Still confused.

I know you are, I said so myself a couple posts ago, to which you replied simply "Nope".

Allow me to explain: "The Big Bang" is a term. Terms stand for things. Sometimes, a term can stand for more than one thing. This particular term stands for two things. One of those things is a model, the other is a set of facts.

Therefore, "The Big Bang" is a term which refers to both a model and a set of facts....but that does not mean the model is a set of facts, nor does it mean the set of facts are a model.

I hope this helps.

[linwood]

Are you denying the fact that what you`ve said is completely contradictory or are just hoping it`ll go away?

I am not saying that the model of the big bang is a fact.
The BB is not "just a model" No*s....like evolution, it is also a fact.

I am not saying that the model of the big bang is a fact.
The BB is not "just a model" No*s....like evolution, it is also a fact.

I am not saying that the model of the big bang is a fact.
The BB is not "just a model" No*s....like evolution, it is also a fact.


Is the model a "fact" or isn`t it?

Allow me to explain: "The Big Bang" is a term. Terms stand for things. Sometimes, a term can stand for more than one thing. This particular term stands for two things. One of those things is a model, the other is a set of facts.

Oh wait, you`re not denying or hoping.
You`re harmonizing!!
This is just too good!!

[Mr Spinkles]

You seem to have a hard time accepting that one word can stand for two things. Here's an example: "evolution" commonly refers to both a model and a set of facts. The following is part of an excellent article found here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

Originally Posted by Evolution is a Fact and a Theory

On the one hand there is the question of whether or not modern organisms have evolved from older ancestral organisms or whether modern species are continuing to change over time. On the other hand there are questions about the mechanism of the observed changes... how did evolution occur? Biologists consider the existence of biological evolution to be a fact. It can be demonstrated today and the historical evidence for its occurrence in the past is overwhelming. However, biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution; there are several theories of the mechanism of evolution.

Originally Posted by linwood

Is the model a "fact" or isn`t it?

No, the model is not a fact. Nor is the fact a model.

"The big bang", however, is a term that commonly refers to both the model and the facts.

[linwood]

Is that "Herring" I smell?

No, the model is not a fact. Nor is the fact a model.

Thank you Spinks.
I don`t know why it took two threads and almost 180 posts to get that but thanks.

[Mr Spinkles]

Originally Posted by linwood

Thank you Spinks.
I don`t know why it took two threads and almost 180 posts to get that but thanks.

I don't know why it took two threads and almost 180 posts for you to ask.

[linwood]

Originally Posted by Mr_Spinkles

I don't know why it took two threads and almost 180 posts for you to ask.

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Mr_Spinkles again.

Touche`