God and the 2nd law of Thermodynamics (evolution, creation, hell)

[Mr Spinkles]

Geoman-- Yours is a common misconception. Actually, the 2nd law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of the universe must always increase. The entropy of systems inside the universe, however, can decrease, and in fact systems in the universe show a decrease in entropy all the time. Just as an example, disorderly gaseous water molecules can condense to form droplets and very "complex" orderly snowflakes. The reason this does not violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics is because the heat from those molecules leaves the system and increases the overall entropy of the universe.

[Geoman076]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

Outstanding! You have discovered the critical flaw, the glaring fault, the gaping defect hitherto unnoticed (or cleverly conceiled!) by the world's entire scientific community. It has clearly been overlooked by the National Accademy of Sciences, the editors of Nature, the Science Departments of our great institutes of learning, not to mention the peer review apparatus that serves as the tapestry upon which mankind's science stands. Yet you come here ready and willing to proclaim that the Emperor is start naked and ******* in the wind. What remarkable accuity ...

... or, perhaps, simply more tiresome sophomoric chatter. See, for example, ...

Order, Disorder and Design
Thermodynamics,
Creationism, and Evolution
The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution, and Probability

I will answer you, but leave out the sarcasm and personal insults.

So if I believe that going from non-life to life required intelligence, and you think I am wrong, then you must believe that it happened naturally (by accident). have i not been ignorant so far?

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Geoman076

I will answer you, but leave out the sarcasm and personal insults.

Read the references and respond - or don't. I can wait.

[painted wolf]

I have to agree that you are misusing the 2ond law.

Systems decay over time, most notably closed systems.

Although thinking on it... the second law of themodynamics could also be used agianst god. After all according to entropy eventually god would have to decay and go *poof* God is after all a closed system.

wa:do

[Geoman076]

Everyone is still failing to answer the question of how the first life got here.

Let's assume that life was created by accident.
Then our scientists should be able to duplicate this, shouldn't they.
Well, they cant.

If our scientists can't produce this "natural and accidental" occurance, that has happened only once in our lifetime, than something smarter than us had to have done it.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by Geoman076

Let's assume that life was created by accident.
Then our scientists should be able to duplicate this, shouldn't they.

No ...

[linwood]

Originally Posted by Geoman076

Everyone is still failing to answer the question of how the first life got here.

Oh I can do that.
Why didn`t ya say so?

"I don`t know."

There ya go.

'

Let's assume that life was created by accident.
Then our scientists should be able to duplicate this, shouldn't they.
Well, they cant.

We also at this moment can`t put a man on Mars.
Guess we`ll never be able to do that huh?

[michel]

This topic, to me, is somewhat absurd. I don't want to offend anyone, but trying to compare God and the 2nd law of Thermodynamics is a bit like comparing the most luxurious cruise ship to a rowing boat.

We humans seem to pride ourselves on being so knowledgable; and yet I believe that our consciousness is limited by our own inability to see further than our hands.

[Geoman076]

Originally Posted by linwood

Oh I can do that.
Why didn`t ya say so?

"I don`t know."

There ya go.

'
We also at this moment can`t put a man on Mars.
Guess we`ll never be able to do that huh?

If you don't know, than you can not know that I am wrong

[Geoman076]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

No ...

Why not?