The Big Bang, Evolution, Creation, Life etc.

[Gharib]

i would like to discuss some topics regarding the creation/coming into existence of our universe and life as we know it up to about this point in time.

i will be arguing from the creation side of the story namely from the islamic side, since i myself am a muslim and a creationist, but i do encourage other members of other faiths as well as other muslims to participate if they wish.

i have opened another thread similar to this but unfortunately, i cannot ask questions that don't have anything to do with evolution, namely Natural Selection. so i decided to open this thread and name it in the way that i have and thus leaves open a range of topics to be discussed under the one thread.

i will also be making one question at a time as it will be easier to keep track of everyone posting thus making it easy to reply. if any post doesn't get a reply please let me know and i will reply to it.

i appreciate everyones time.

my first question is this:
1. The Big Bang Theory. what can you tell me about it?

although the question is very basic, i am not seeking for others to waste time reading about it and to explain it to me, but rather i am asking a detailed answer on how it all began. if no one from the atheist/evolution side wants to answer it, then i will answer it from the creation side and hopefully the discussion can begin. God willing i will post my answer to the question another time when i am able to. i will explain how islam views it, and what it says on the topic. until then, all the best to everyone.

[Zoe Doidge]

Well, I can tell you plenty about what happened after the big bang, but that wont really help us. Hell, you can look on Wikipedia for that.

The relevant part is what (if anything) happened before it, and science hasn't got anything substantial on that yet. So any scientific discussion on how we got here has to start from the assumption that the big bang happened, even if the cause is unknown.

[Revoltingest]

Originally Posted by Zoe Doidge

Well, I can tell you plenty about what happened after the big bang, but that wont really help us. Hell, you can look on Wikipedia for that.

The relevant part is what (if anything) happened before it, and science hasn't got anything substantial on that yet. So any scientific discussion on how we got here has to start from the assumption that the big bang happened, even if the cause is unknown.

Ditto.

[Gharib]

Originally Posted by Zoe Doidge

Well, I can tell you plenty about what happened after the big bang, but that wont really help us. Hell, you can look on Wikipedia for that.

The relevant part is what (if anything) happened before it, and science hasn't got anything substantial on that yet. So any scientific discussion on how we got here has to start from the assumption that the big bang happened, even if the cause is unknown.

actually some years back i believe, i was watching a documentary on this and scientists were suggesting that some sort of a gas or cloud is what lead to the big bang.

as a muslim, i do believe that the bang was a result of this cloud, but i do not believe that a random explosion took place and that we exist due to chance, i will hopefully explain this in more detail in my reply to the question i made.

[Zoe Doidge]

Right now, that it at best a hypothesis.

Still, we have something in common since I also don't believe we came to be by chance. The whole idea of random chance implies that something else could have happened, and I don't believe that to be the case.

[PolyHedral]

There is no reliable source of information about what happened before the Big Bang, however, one thing is known for sure: it won't be describable in any terms a layperson would be familiar with.

(It would be far, far, far too hot for any gas to be stable, for instance.)

[Photonic]

Originally Posted by PolyHedral

There is no reliable source of information about what happened before the Big Bang, however, one thing is known for sure: it won't be describable in any terms a layperson would be familiar with.

(It would be far, far, far too hot for any gas to be stable, for instance.)

It was mostly a quark-gluon soup, so to speak.

[Riverwolf]

Originally Posted by Photonic

It was mostly a quark-gluon soup, so to speak.

Which means absolutely nothing to laypeople. ^_^

But if you call it a "soup", you can bet your butt that all kinds of religious groups are going to claim "scientific miracle" because most ancient legends describe pre-creation as vast, infinite water, including the book of Genesis, and the Vedas and Puranas.

[Photonic]

Originally Posted by Riverwolf

Which means absolutely nothing to laypeople. ^_^

But if you call it a "soup", you can bet your butt that all kinds of religious groups are going to claim "scientific miracle" because most ancient legends describe pre-creation as vast, infinite water, including the book of Genesis, and the Vedas and Puranas.

I usually leave the translation of scientific terms to Brian Greene and his kind. It's not because I can't, it's because I like being precise.

[idav]

Originally Posted by eselam

my first question is this:
1. The Big Bang Theory. what can you tell me about it?

This is worth a watch.

Stephen Hawking - The Big Bang - YouTube