Please Help: Trying to get my Facts Right (punishment, Earth)

[Cr0wley]

I've been doing some thinking about the whole Satanic thing. I've written down what I've picked up about the whole thing, but seeing my lack of resources (more of the fact that I've not known exactly known where to look) I've not been able to understand everything. What I DO understand:

Lucifer was God's most beautiful and gifted angel. He was the angel of light (and I've heard that he's credited with being the angel of music too) and God was pleased with him. But the problem is, he was too well made.

God gave him a measure of free will, not unlike our own, and this was his downfall. He wanted to free the other angels from God's "slavery", so by gaining 3/4 of the angels' support he started the ultimate rebellion. God, being almighty (well, at least they say so), eventually defeated Lucifer. He stripped him of his title (his name, which is now Satan) and banished him to earth to wait for his punishment.

So when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, Satan saw the oppertunity to break God's bondage over humans aswell, and told Eve to eat the fruit. (Notice how anything that concerns our free will is considared "Evil"?)

I see Satan is the ultimate revolutionary, gaining souls for the final match up. I also see the book Revalations as just properganda. No one knows the final result.

Another thing. When has Satan ever promised you an eternity of suffering if you don't do as he says? Makes the other team sound alittle harsh, huh?

I'm just wondering if my views are shared or if my facts are screwy. I've looked into LaVey, but honestly some of his things sound alittle gimcky.

I would love to hear your opinions.

[Druidus]

Sounds close to what I belive, Crowley, though I'm neither Christian nor Luciferist.

It all reminds me of Prometheus. I think Satan was adapted into Judaism and Christianity from a religion that contained a Prometheus-like character.

Prometheus secretly gave fire, the wheel, knowledge, free will, and other assorted goodies to humans, and was punished by Zeus the Almighty, for eternity (though he escaped).

Also, ditto the stuff about God sounding evil to me.

Were there a rebellion now, I would be forced to side with Satan, even knowing that God would win, as I could not honourably side with a God so sadistic that he would torture, for eternity, his creations (which he created to be inherently flawed).

Anyways, I don't have to worry about that. I'm a Druid, and believe in neither God, nor Satan.

[Jaymes]

Are you sure it was 3/4ths of the angels? I seem to recall 1/3rd, but I could be wrong.

[Druidus]

I remembered 1/3 too, Jensa.

[Cr0wley]

Oh. I'll have to look that one up and update it this evening. Thanks for sharing your views.

If you are saying that Satan's an adapted Prometheus, why would his character be seen as "evil"? I seem to remember that Prometheus was seen as heroic...

So confusing...

[Scuba Pete]

When has Satan ever promised you an eternity of suffering if you don't do as he says?

Actually, I think Satan has promised suffering if you DO as he says.

[Cr0wley]

No, God promises suffering if you follow anyone or anything other than him...

[Era]

1. Satan is not Lucifer
2. God promised the sufference , not Satan ( and I say this for you NetDoc)
3. Satan is seen as the hero because he represents another kind of order , one that can bring man back to his nature .
4. The reason why Anton Szandor LaVey ( I `m giving the holl name of LaVey so other people could see that I know it!) is not compatible with many people`s ideas of satanism , is because Anton Szandor LaVey created a new system of satanism , more close to what it should be . I repeat - we have nothing to do with christianity , people please remember this !

[Nick Soapdish]

Originally Posted by Cr0wley

I've been doing some thinking about the whole Satanic thing. I've written down what I've picked up about the whole thing, but seeing my lack of resources (more of the fact that I've not known exactly known where to look) I've not been able to understand everything. What I DO understand:

Lucifer was God's most beautiful and gifted angel. He was the angel of light (and I've heard that he's credited with being the angel of music too) and God was pleased with him. But the problem is, he was too well made.

God gave him a measure of free will, not unlike our own, and this was his downfall. He wanted to free the other angels from God's "slavery", so by gaining 3/4 of the angels' support he started the ultimate rebellion. God, being almighty (well, at least they say so), eventually defeated Lucifer. He stripped him of his title (his name, which is now Satan) and banished him to earth to wait for his punishment.

So when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, Satan saw the oppertunity to break God's bondage over humans aswell, and told Eve to eat the fruit. (Notice how anything that concerns our free will is considared "Evil"?)

I see Satan is the ultimate revolutionary, gaining souls for the final match up. I also see the book Revalations as just properganda. No one knows the final result.

Another thing. When has Satan ever promised you an eternity of suffering if you don't do as he says? Makes the other team sound alittle harsh, huh?

I'm just wondering if my views are shared or if my facts are screwy. I've looked into LaVey, but honestly some of his things sound alittle gimcky.

I would love to hear your opinions.

Why would you trust a higher spirit that is centered on self-interest? What makes you believe Satan, who is reputed as the father of lies, is looking out for your interests?

Also, you seem to believe Jesus Christ was a divine being who "promised you an eternity of suffering". Can you really objectively look at His teachings and claim He is actually the bad guy?

[michel]

Originally Posted by atofel

Why would you trust a higher spirit that is centered on self-interest? What makes you believe Satan, who is reputed as the father of lies, is looking out for your interests?

Also, you seem to believe Jesus Christ was a divine being who "promised you an eternity of suffering". Can you really objectively look at His teachings and claim He is actually the bad guy?

Well said and fruball-worthy!