Christians: Why is belief more important than morality? (Jesus, crucified)

[Doc]

Originally Posted by keevelish

God is ONLY all-forgiving when a person accepts his free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ. Why should he forgive a person who rejects him?

Hello? Just look at the Crucifixion. Jesus specifically said, Forgive them father for they know not what they do. He is saying that to people who have brutally beaten him, stabbed him with a spear, humiliated him, and nailed him to a cross. They obviously did not accept his free gift of salvation.
So a better question for you is...Why should he forgive a person who crucifies him? And how many of us could do the same?

[chris9178]

Why should he forgive a person who crucifies him?

Love

And how many of us could do the same?

Probably not me.

[keevelish]

Joannicus, you can't take pieces out of the Bible to fit your story and ignore others.

Mark 9:44, 46, and 48 all say "where the worm never dieth and the fire quencheth not."

Why do you think Jesus preached more on HELL than on HEAVEN? Maybe because Hell is a severe reality.

[keevelish]

Do you think that the rich man who went to hell and begged Lazarus to give him water and tell his family about hell was in denial? This certainly was NOT a parable. Jesus never once used a specific name of a person in any of his parables.

[keevelish]

Doc- Matthew 7:22-23: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God will reject those who reject him. People who don't want to have anything to do with God have no place in heaven. Jesus still wants ALL to come to him though, but it is of their own choice.

2 Peter 3:9: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The athiest has no reason to come to repentance because he or she believes that there is no God.

[keevelish]

If everyone gets to go to heaven , no matter whether they believe in God or not, then Jesus died in vain. There was no reason for him to die on the cross. Obviously mankind could save itself because God would accept them no matter what they were like- he is of course all hunky-dory with everything.

[Joannicius]

Originally Posted by keevelish

Joannicus, you can't take pieces out of the Bible to fit your story and ignore others.

Mark 9:44, 46, and 48 all say "where the worm never dieth and the fire quencheth not."

Why do you think Jesus preached more on HELL than on HEAVEN? Maybe because Hell is a severe reality.

I thought hell was cast into the lake of fire.........mmmm

If it isn't already, it will be. I probably got impatient as usual

[Scorn]

The athiest has no reason to come to repentance because he or she believes that there is no God.

In death, is god revealed to the athiest?

[Melody]

Originally Posted by Scorn

In death, is god revealed to the athiest?

And perhaps that is the true hell. To have the truth revealed and then be denied His presence.

[Scorn]

But can anyone tell me? Is that an accepted reality of Christians?