Christian: Homosexuality and Gay Marriage (Jesus, Creator, the passion, soul)

[Green Gaia]

This was suggested in another thread for just Christians to debate these issues as they relate to Christian teachings.



Christian-only involvement in this thread will be strictly inforced. Any posts by non-Christians will be deleted and warnings possibly issued.

[Joannicius]

This is quite a hot issue in today's world.
I have relatives that live the gay lifestyle and there are some interesting discussions around the dinner table, as you might imagine.

The scriptures and The Church have not wavered on the damage that one is causing themselves, society and other individuals when they live this lifestyle.

The Church can not condone it, nor will it ever condone it, or adultery, or any of the passions of the body, mind, soul or spirit because the prevent us from having the relationship with our Creator that He so desires for us to have with Him.

It is realy because of his love for us that he chastens us and desires that we be in full fellowship with Him and with each other.

Remember the prayer that Jesus prayed to the Father on our behalf " That we may be one with Him, even as He is one with the Father" - it is my opinion that we should work toward the desire of Christ and agree with Him toward unity with our community of humankind and with The All Holy Trinity.

[chris9178]

I wrote this in a seperate debate. Somebody asked why God deemed homosexuality to be a sin.

The reason I believe it's a sin is because the Bible labels it as so. For an atheist, or Buddhist that wouldn't matter, but for me, a Christian, it does. So why did God say its a sin? Well, I don't want to put words in God's mouth, but I think it's basically the same as divorce. God made marriage a very holy thing (the mand and the woman become one being.....). Jesus says that if any man divorces his wife, and remarries, then that man (or woman) is committing adultery, because in God's eyes he's still married to his original wife..... there is an exception to that, but thats beyond our point.... Sex was made to be like marriage, holy in God's eyes. Homosexuality would be considered a perversion of what God made to be holy.
Now the thing that gets me is the double standard many churches show these days. They'll accept divorce, but not homosexuality.....

[true blood]

God has given us His own Will on how we should live but he has also given us the ability to make our own decision. If we want the fullness of his guidance and care then we will set aside our own will and live by his. It's not always easy.

[groovydancer88]

This is where I differ from many of my fellow christians. The bible says it's a sin, but for some reason I just can't accept that. It's not like these people choose to be homosexuals. God made them that way, and I feel it's a sin to judge them for what God gave them. Why God himself condemns this characteristic that he gives to his own creation is the concept that I can't grasp.

[true blood]

I don't believe a man or woman is born gay. It is their choice. People are born on a level of masculine and feminin and there are many degrees that make people the way they are. People are suppose to join with the opposite of sex to make life so that it continues on.


Groovy you are right in a sense. If God makes a person "gay" then that is God's doing not any christian and we should not interfer or hate. Perhaps God has decided to prevent their line of life by ending it. Our ancestors gave their life so that we can have ours and life will continues on and on in this fashion of a man being with a woman. A selfish generation disrespect what their ancestors have struggled to give us. The only reason we are here today is because of the cycle of life, birth and so on. The path of being gay is death in my view but being chrisitan is to never treat anyone with anything other then love as Christ has loved us especially unto gays.

[chris9178]

God made them that way, and I feel it's a sin to judge them for what God gave them.

Are you saying it's a sin for Christians to judge them, or for God to??????

If you're talking about Christians, then that is pretty ridiculous. It's ok for us to say one indisputible sin is wrong (because the Bible tells us), but saying homsexuality is a sin (which the Bible also says is wrong), then we ourselves are sinning? Think about that. If you still hold that view, and believe that stealing, or adultery is a sin, then you yourself are judging (according to your philosophy), which, by your standards, means you're sinning.

I don't believe God makes people gay either.....
I believe that our culture, and even many Christians, lead people to that direction.... I'm talking about guys now because that's my own gender, and the good Lord knows I don't understand women enough to make any sort of assumptions...... I think because we expect every man to be strong and athletic, and competitive, etc. etc., those who aren't and may be a little more effiminate are picked on, and even called gay sometimes! I think many of the times it's deeply psychological. I'm not saying this is the case for all, but for many. That I believe is a sin. And I don't believe many Christians are aware of it. I think we should show more compassion to homosexuals, because in a way, we may have led them to that lifestyle!

Of course I don't have data, or scientific studies to back that up. It's merely my own speculations, so think about it, and if it sounds right then cool, if not, then forget it.

[groovydancer88]

Originally Posted by chris9178

Are you saying it's a sin for Christians to judge them, or for God to??????

If you're talking about Christians, then that is pretty ridiculous. It's ok for us to say one indisputible sin is wrong (because the Bible tells us), but saying homsexuality is a sin (which the Bible also says is wrong), then we ourselves are sinning? Think about that. If you still hold that view, and believe that stealing, or adultery is a sin, then you yourself are judging (according to your philosophy), which, by your standards, means you're sinning.

Sorry, that is a bit unclear what I said. I meant Christians.

You make a good point here - judging people for homosexuality is no better or worse than judging people for other sins IF you accept what the Bible says about homosexuality. The biggest difference you and I have on this issue is that I strongly believe that God made gay people the way they are. So what's my response to what the Bible says, then? Confusion. An unsatisfactory response, for certain. I wish I could understand this.

[chris9178]

The biggest difference you and I have on this issue is that I strongly believe that God made gay people the way they are.

Why? Do you base it on your own belief, or scientific study, or feelings?
I'd like to understand your point of view.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by groovydancer88

This is where I differ from many of my fellow christians. The bible says it's a sin, but for some reason I just can't accept that. It's not like these people choose to be homosexuals. God made them that way, and I feel it's a sin to judge them for what God gave them. Why God himself condemns this characteristic that he gives to his own creation is the concept that I can't grasp.

As Chrsitians we struggle together to submit to God's requirements and His character. He has revealed his words to us, and we should struggle to understand. It could be possible that you are misunderstanding the nature of homosexuality.