Christian: Homosexuality and Gay Marriage (Jesus, Creator, the passion, soul)

[Tzeitel]

I think
we all understand that homosexuality is not the sin, but engaging in homosexual behavior is

Pcarl, what is your definition of adultery? If it is the actual physical act of sex with someone you are not married to you are wrong by the Bible's definition.

Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart".

When a man looks at a woman lustfully he is an adulterer even though he has not had sex with her. A man that is attracted to another man is still condemned by God even though he has not had actual relations with another man.

[Tzeitel]

I believe that God desires the sodomite to understand he is a sinner, that he is going to hell because he is rejecting Jesus, repent of his sins, ask Jesus into his heart and get right with God. The holy spirit will thereafter help him overcome his flesh.

[Tzeitel]

I too differ here with many Christians. I believe that some are born gay

Genesis 1:28: "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth".

Now God gave MALE and FEMALE a commandment: to replenish the earth- this is an ongoing commandment that is still for today. Replenish, in the hebrew (male') means to fill, to fill up, to satisfy, consecrate, etc. Is the world filled up today? No it is not. Despite humanitarain fears that the world is overpopulated it is most certainly not. The entire population could fit inside an average city. God called his creation GOOD and he did not create them MALE and MALE. God's plan was perfect, but because man FELL he gave into the lusts of the flesh. God's creation was PERFECT before the fall.

[pcarl]

<Now God gave MALE and FEMALE a commandment: to replenish the earth->

So, where does that leave the partners in a heterosexual marriage who do not
have children, nor plan to have children, or, cannot have children? Are you stating
that pro-creation is the sole purpose for marriage?

[pcarl]

<Pcarl, what is your definition of adultery?>

Adultry is taking one who belongs to another as her/his own.

<If it is the actual physical act of sex with someone you are not married to you are wrong by the Bible's definition.> <.......committed adultery with her already in his heart".>

I agree. As with stealing, one is already a thief before the actual act.
Adultry is always a sin. It inflicts moral evil on one's spouse, violates a relationship,
breaks a covenant, perpetrates a deceit, witnesses to infidelity instead of fidelity.

<When a man looks at a woman lustfully he is an adulterer even though he has not had sex with her. A man that is attracted to another man is still condemned by God even though he has not had actual relations with another man.>

You use the terms lust and attraction as if having the same meaning, they
do not. Lust refers more to unrelational, uncommited sexual pleasure. An attraction is
an initial step that may or may not grow to a committed, relational union.

I am not here advacating for or against homesexual unions or whatever. My
point is the necessity of knowledge, empathy, and pastoral attitude towards true
homosexuals, especially those who are our brothers and sisters in Christ. We must learn to differenciate between promiscuity, unrelated and uncommitted sex acts from
true homosexual committed relationships.

For those of us who persist in believing that homosexual orientation is chosen, I refer you to 'Always Our Children', statement from the USCCB.

""Generally, homosexual orientation is experienced as a given, not as something freely chosen. By itself, therefore, a homosexual orientation cannot be considered sinful, for morality presumes the freedom to choose,"

[Tzeitel]

a person freely chooses to drink, just as a person freely chooses to be a homosexual-- if you argue that a person has a propensity towards alcoholism, that just means that that person all the more needs Jesus Christ to get him through his sinful flesh and constantly rely on the holy spirit to help him refuse his desires.

[Tzeitel]

I believe that the purpose of marriage is to avoid the lusts of the flesh.

HOWEVER I believe that scripture clearly states that procreation is a followed purpose of marriage-

thus- a person burns in his flesh towards another- get married to avoid this- then they are commanded by God to bear children. This is a natural result of getting married. I do not believe that those people who refuse to have children and are in a GODLY relationship are in God's will

A woman who physically cannot have children cannot help this- but a woman who is with another woman is an ABOMINATION.

[Melody]

Originally Posted by Tzeitel

I believe that the purpose of marriage is to avoid the lusts of the flesh.

Ummm....my husband is going to be soooo disappointed.