Christian: Interpretation (priests, Moses, tradition, Epistles, grace)

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Baerly

I have been studying the bible awhile and I have not seen one hint of the Catholic Church,or any other denominational church.

What is a "denominational church"? The Church you refer to as the "Roman Catholic Church" we properly refer to as the Body of Christ, and we, the members of this group of pilgrim believers are the People of God.

God is love.... and we express our love for God in a different way than you... surely God can accept more than one form of love from believers... don't you agree?

In Christ,
Scott

[Baerly]

Originally Posted by Scott1

What is a "denominational church"? The Church you refer to as the "Roman Catholic Church" we properly refer to as the Body of Christ, and we, the members of this group of pilgrim believers are the People of God.

1.) It sounds like your stating an absolute. That the Catholic church is the body,period. Those outside of said body (Catholic church) are not a part of the Lords body. Am I understanding you correctly? Baerly


God is love.... and we express our love for God in a different way than you... surely God can accept more than one form of love from believers... don't you agree?

2.) Here is the problem I have with loosley defining the wordLOVE. Jesus defines love as doing his commandments or (doing truth) (John 14:15,21 ; 15:10,14) (1John 3:7) (1John 2:3-5) (John 3:21). If we define the word love with our emotions we are sure to fail. The bible says man cannot direct his own footsteps (Jer.10:23) (Prov. 14:12).

Can't we find the commandments of God within the New Testament? When I read (2Peter 1:3) and (Jude 3), I learn that the bible contains all things pertaining to life and godliness and it (the faith) was once delivered to the saints. How about (1Cor.13:10) ? In this verse we find the word perfect (or COMPLETE).Notice also the word Perfect (or COMPLETE) in (2Tim. 3:17). We have within these scriptures describing to us the all sufficiency of the bible. If that will not convince a person, nothing will. I am reminded of (luke 16:31) where Abraham tells the rich man if they will not listen to Moses and the prophets,they will not listen to one who rose from the dead. Two points are made here in the statement of Abraham. 1.) Is that we best listen to truth while we have a chance. 2.) Is that when one decides to do as they wish rather than follow truth,even a miracle will not deter them from going about to do their own will (Rom.10:1-3) (2Thess.2:10-12).

How much can we change the word of God and still be pleasing to God? This is the question many should be asking. When I think about Nadab and Abihu in (Lev. 10:1-4), I learn just how much we can change the word of God. NONE, Not one bit according to what happened to them. They were burned to death for an example for all to see. God lets us know within this example we best not deviate from the commandments of God one bit. Remember Naaman in (2Kings 5),if he was going to be cleansed of leprosy it was going to be by following exactly what the prophet said to do (Rom.15:4). The same goes for today (John 10:27).

Question- How much closer to the word of God could one get than what Nadab and Abihu got? I mean they used fire,they done everything right except they got the fire from another location. This sends chills up my spine when I hear people saying it does not matter what you do as long as your heart is right. Do you think Nadab and Abihu's hearts were right? Were they sincere? Yes, I think they were sincere, BUT they were sincerely WRONG. They done what the apostle Paul talked about in (Rom.10:1-3). They had zeal,they were worshipping God, BUT it was not according to KNOWLEDGE. They went about to establish their own righteousness (Rom.10:3). This is where they went wrong. Thousands of churches today are doing as they wish when it comes to worship. They have added some things and subtracted others (Rev.22:18,19).

Think of Caine,he was in the same shoes as Nadab and Abihu. We read what Caine offered to God was called evil (1John 3:12). Is it possible many churches are offering to God what amounts to evil according to Gods word? - in love Baerly

In Christ,
Scott

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[Baerly]

Originally Posted by writer

26 The Church desperately needs restoration
That's what Revelation 2-3 indicate

It is possible to restore the Church to New Testament doctrine and practice
If it weren't, 2-3, especially 3:7-13, woundn't've been written. With God, all things are possible

The "not-restored" Church is inherently flawed and, therefore, not the "real" Church.
That's for sure. The Lord created not the divisions of a state-church, Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism, Protestantism denominations, any denominations, Anglicanism, Anglicanism, nor ecumenisms

The church "I" attend has achieved #'s 1 and 2, and therefore is not flawed, like the #3 Church.
Whether it has, or's in the process of, the Lord can, and will, judge; as can His Body

What is the name of the church you attend? If it is so close to being perfect surely you want us to be a part of it. I want to be a part of a church which is not flawed. Please tell us which church you attend. Surely you believe what (2Tim.2:2) and (Mt.28:18-20)teaches. I assume you do. Baerly



These assumptions are what lead restorationists to dismiss certain aspects of the Church, like the apostolic succession, tradition, certain rituals, the organic nature of the Church, authority, ongoing revelation, organization (the Mormons are notable exceptions to these last three).
Mormonism is polytheistic and isn't even Christian.
There is no such thing either in the universe or in His Scriptures as a formal apostolic succession. To claim, like Mormons, Popes, or "Patriarchs," either that there is a formal, institutional, office of apostle to inherit; or that one has succeeded into it; is in itself a deviation from the apostles' teaching in the New Testament.
The NT church's bona fide tradition is both the apostles' Scriptural teaching, and all her saints' for the past 2 millenia experience of Christ and which comports with that teaching.
Christ's Body's only bona fide rituals are her Table in genuine oneness and baptism and anointing sick with oil at times.
The organic nature of the church is her life, who is Christ the Lord Himself (Col 3:4).
Her authority is her Head, who is Christ her Lord Himself (Eph 4:15).
Her ongoing revelation is Christ, the light of the world Himself (Jn 8:12; Eph 1:17-21).
Her organization is Christ the Lord Himself, who is not an organization, but an organism, a Vine, who is the embodiment of the processed triune God who became a life-giving Spirit in resurrection to make an abode with all who believe into Him (Jn 14:1-3, 23; 17:20-23; 1 Cor 12:12-13; etc)

These assumptions are based on the fallacy that everything pertaining to the Church must be Biblical (based upon a [usually] conservative, narrow and literalistic interpretation of the Bible) -- sola scriptura.
His church, which is His Body, like His word, is leavenless. Pure, unadulterated Him. His narrowness (cf Jn 14:6; Mt 7:14; 2 Tim 3:14-17) is only the breadth, length, height, and depth of the triune God Himself.
As Adam said, "This time this's bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; this one shall be called Woman because out of Man this one was taken," Gen 2:23; cf Eph 5:30-32

They are convinced that the traditional Church is flawed and needs correction -- and that the correct way to go about this is to "just get back to the Bible."
"But you, continue in the things which you have learned and have been assured of, knowing from which ones you've learned them and that from a babe you have known the sacred writings, which're able to make one wise unto salvation through the faith which's in Christ Jesus. All Scripture's God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for conviction, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work," 2 Tim 3:14-17.
"...which in other generations wasn't made known to the sons of men, as it's now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in spirit, that..." Eph 3:5

sad for those who seek the unity of Christ's Church.
One Body and one Spirit, even as also you were called in one hope of your calling...Eph 4:4

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[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Baerly

It sounds like your stating an absolute. That the Catholic church is the body,period. Those outside of said body (Catholic church) are not a part of the Lords body. Am I understanding you correctly?

Not even close..... all those who profess Jesus as Christ are our brothers and sisters in the Body of Christ.

2.) Here is the problem I have with loosley defining the wordLOVE.

I don't believe I did define it.

Is it possible many churches are offering to God what amounts to evil according to Gods word?

I guess anything is possible.... was this really a question?

Peace in Christ,
S

[Baerly]

Originally Posted by Scott1

What is a "denominational church"? The Church you refer to as the "Roman Catholic Church" we properly refer to as the Body of Christ, and we, the members of this group of pilgrim believers are the People of God.

God is love.... and we express our love for God in a different way than you... surely God can accept more than one form of love from believers... don't you agree?

In Christ,
Scott

A denominational church is any church which is not the original. Many claims have been made about which is the original. Let us go to the bible and prove our point. Baerly

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Sermon Outlines: Establishment of the Church - When Was the Church ... The church of Christ, the real thing, was established nearly 600 years before Roman Catholicism and 1600 years before the first Protestant denomination, ...
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[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Baerly

A denominational church is any church which is not the original. Many claims have been made about which is the original. Let us go to the bible and prove our point.

Have at it, brother.... I'm not a Church.... I'm a Christian... so I guess I'm confused as to why it is so important for you to "prove" your point..... but don't let me stop you.... you seem pretty exited about it.

Whenever you'd like to chat about the thread topic or Christianity, let me know and I'll join in.

S

[Baerly]

Originally Posted by Scott1

Have at it, brother.... I'm not a Church.... I'm a Christian... so I guess I'm confused as to why it is so important for you to "prove" your point..... but don't let me stop you.... you seem pretty exited about it.

Whenever you'd like to chat about the thread topic or Christianity, let me know and I'll join in.

S

If you think about it, I am going to the heart of the topic. I am trying to get to the foundation of Christianity (1Cor.3:11). We learn that anyone who builds on a foundation other than Christ is making a mistake. Many have been going to church services for years and they don't have any idea about the foundation of the church they attend.They accept what ever is being taught in the pulpit without going to the bible to see if those things be so or not (John 5:39) (Acts 17:11) (1Thess.5:21).

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Baerly

If you think about it, I am going to the heart of the topic.

Okey dokey.....

We learn that anyone who builds on a foundation other than Christ is making a mistake.

Amen... gotta agree with that.

Many have been going to church services for years and they don't have any idea about the foundation of the church they attend.

I don't know who these "many" are.... I try not to judge the hearts and minds of others.

They accept what ever is being taught in the pulpit without going to the bible to see if those things be so or not.

Geez.... think about how hard it was for those majority of Christians in the first 300-400 years of the faith without the bible!

Peace,
Scott

[writer]

30 Which is that one church?
His one Body, Eph 4:4

33 What is the name of the church you attend?
The church. If u wanna call that a name

If it is so close to being perfect...
none of us r close to being perfect, B

surely you want us to be a part of it.
If you're born of God, u r. 'Part' of Christ

I want to be a part of a church which is not flawed.
Then mebbe u shouldn't "be flawed'

Please tell us which church you attend.
Spiritually speaking, there's only one church.
i meet generally where i live. The church in Denver

Surely you believe what (2Tim.2:2) and (Mt.28:18-20)teaches. I assume you do.
i do. Surely.
But believing without doin's one thing, and believing with doin's another. Thanks

[sojourner]