Christian: Is the Bible inerrantly true? (Jesus, gospel, tradition, evolution)

[No*s]

Bumping it up. I haven't had any fun responses to that argument .

[Joannicius]

Originally Posted by No*s

Bumping it up. I haven't had any fun responses to that argument .

Good to bump up.

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by Joannicius

I don't know the details as to when this doctrine/dogma was first documented.

You mean other than:
Galations 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! 10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

[Joannicius]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

You mean other than:
Galations 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! 10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Sorry it took so long Doc. I have been on an involutary sabatical from the forum.

If you read these scriptures to be the proof text of inerrancy, I have to say that the error is equating the "gospel" with the written word. The good news (gospel) is certainly included in the written word but not the equivelant. I would go as far as to say that Paul would equate "sola scriptura" to an introduction to "another gospel" that he is speaking of in this passage. Please let me explain that statement and don't take offence at it. The doctrine of "sola scriptura" obviously led men to believe that the scripture could be taken and applied by individual or personal interpretation. ("Just Jesus and Me"). Which is heretical in nature for the truths in the scriptures are not for "private" interpretation and we are suppose to be a community united under the banners that the Fathers of the Faith gave us which are the understandings given them by the Apostles and passed to us. Primarily the scriptures of course but with THEIR understanding, not OURS. The foundation was laid with Jesus the Cornerstone, but other stones join with Him to make the full foundation. One, which if denied, is heretical from the begining; that being the Nicene Creed. I start there for the most of Christendom has left it behind along with the Councils descisions and proclomations which are part of the life blood we have as a body.

[Dr. Khan]

Originally Posted by chris9178

If it's inerrantly true, there are a lot of things that need some sort of explaning. First off I'd like somebody to adequately debate evolution. I don't particularly like to agree with evolution, and I was raised not too, but 10,000 PhD's make a rather strong case for it.

Did you see my post in {DEATH KNOLL FOR INTELLIGENT DESIGN AND CREATIONISM

[Dr. Khan]

Search the scriptures for they testify of me. "Jesus "

[Joannicius]

Originally Posted by Dr. Khan

Search the scriptures for they testify of me. "Jesus "

YES, and we worship Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the Trinity, One in essence, indivisible, consubstantial and above ALL.

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by Joannicius

obviously led men to believe that the scripture could be taken and applied by individual or personal interpretation.

Why would they believe that? Of course the Bereans were counted more noble for "searching the scriptures daily", so maybe that is of some use.

Unfortunately, most apologists discount the impact the Spirit has on our ability to comprehend the scriptures. In fact the scriptures say that we are NOT to use our personal interpretations.

Primarily the scriptures of course but with THEIR understanding, not OURS.

It is not that difficult to understand the scriptures. Unfortunately, implementing them is far more difficult. I would suggest that most who have "issues" with the scriptures being able to tell us everything, usually have a passage or two that they just can't accept.

As can be seen by the book of Revelations, apostasy happens at the speed of pride. I am content to learn from the primitive church and follow their ways, rather than rely on later "interpretations" that only add to the confusion.

As for the Nicene creed... that is way too modern for me. Give the church of the book of Acts.

[eccentricjdo]

If the Scriptures are reliable, then why does the NT quote inaccurate Greek translations of the Hebrew Old Testament?

[Poisonshady313]

Folks looking for errancy... I created a thread on that very topic. Find it in Scriptural Debates (or by clicking "Today's Posts")

You ask for 1... I provide 11.

It's called 11 errors by Jesus and friends.