Christian: Is the Bible inerrantly true? (Jesus, gospel, tradition, evolution)

[Joannicius]

Originally Posted by michel

Could you point me to some, please?

I am getting ready to leave right now but let's start with the Nicene Creed

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Only-begotten, Begotten of the Father before all worlds. Light of Light, Very God of Very God, Begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made: Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, Whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke by the prophets.



And I believe in one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
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This was given us by the Church that gave us the canonizaion of our Holy Scripture........if we believe they had the authority to do that from The Holy Spirit we must embrace the Nicene Creed as they gave it to us before they canonized the scriptures and many other canons for us to follow.

[Scuba Pete]

I agree with much of this creed excepting of course the final statement.

[Joannicius]

NetDoc:

Forgive me for being sarcastic but what part of the Bible don't you accept ?

You do know Luther tossed parts out at will, don't you?

The Creed is 2nd ONLY to the Scriptures in authority, maybe equal.

[Scuba Pete]

Oh, I don't reject any of the scriptures... I do reject this statement:

And I believe in one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

[Doc]

Luther threw several books out because they were not translated from the original Hebrew thus making sketchy whether they were divinely inspired or not. They were Hebrew to Greek or something or Latin. Anyway...

Perhaps some of you have heard of Anne Hutchinson. Many of the first colonists of America fled England hoping to purify the Anglican Church. Thus creating Puritans. They focused mainly on Bible Study and prayer life. Anne Hutchinson, a firm believer in God, felt that other things were more important. She believed that living a holy life was more important than prayer and going to church, and studying the Bible. To make things short, they threw her out on her ear and she was banished from the church. She was later shot with an arrow.

I agree that Spirituality is living a good life is more important also. Such things unite us where our silly arguements about which book is real or whos religion is the best only divides us.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by michel

Could you point me to some, please?

Yes.... I agree.... I'd like to hear some of these as well.

[Joannicius]

Originally Posted by Doc

Luther threw several books out because they were not translated from the original Hebrew thus making sketchy whether they were divinely inspired or not. They were Hebrew to Greek or something or Latin. Anyway...

Originally Posted by Doc

Perhaps some of you have heard of Anne Hutchinson. Many of the first colonists of America fled England hoping to purify the Anglican Church. Thus creating Puritans. They focused mainly on Bible Study and prayer life. Anne Hutchinson, a firm believer in God, felt that other things were more important. She believed that living a holy life was more important than prayer and going to church, and studying the Bible. To make things short, they threw her out on her ear and she was banished from the church. She was later shot with an arrow.

I agree that Spirituality is living a good life is more important also. Such things unite us where our silly arguements about which book is real or whos religion is the best only divides us.

The point is: being so arrogant to assume more understanding and authority than the church fathers and 1500 +/- years of Church history, not to mention the Ecumenical Councils of the entirety of the Christian world at that time. ((It is no small matter, this. If the whole of all who claim Christianity could see the authority that was granted by The Holy Spirit through the Councils, we would have immediate and total unity among those who love the only one who ever rose from the dead by His own power.)) Since Luther assumed that amount of authority it stands to reason that thousands after him would think it reasonable or acceptable to do the same.

My becoming Orthodox was a lot as the result of my looking at the witnesses of doctrine and dogma as in a court of law. It doesn't work in court very well nor scripture to have one witness against scores, hundred and even thousands. Therefore, it is beyond my comprehension to accept Joseph Smith or Mohammed etc. who among many were witness to themselves with no collaboration.

As for the silliness of our debating over facts and dogmas. I see it as very serious, for our eternal destiny is as stake, the way I read and believe scripture. Are we to gauge our own life and in doing so neglect the very tools God gave us to draw us to Himself.......The Church, The Scripture and Prayer?? I submit that if we neglect such a great salvation we are making gods of our own minds and cutting ourselves off from true community and union with mankind and God himself which admittedly is a slow and very gradual reality that many don't perceive.

Originally Posted by SOGFPP

I agree.... I'd like to hear some of these as well.

It's late, but for the Scotts, let's start with the Nicene Creed.....you saw that coming, didn't you?

[Scuba Pete]

I wish we could get back on topic... I feel that debaitng which (if any) church is the "one true church" is not within the scope of Biblical inerrancy.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by NetDoc

I wish we could get back on topic... I feel that debaitng which (if any) church is the "one true church" is not within the scope of Biblical inerrancy.

That's a fine opinion ND.... but there are some of us out here that only have faith in Scripture because we have faith in the Church that defined it.... so it's quite on topic.